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to ask what a chav is?

142 replies

tallulahxhunny · 28/06/2011 19:42

Who/what are chavs?

They are very popular anyway as everyone seems to be one and everyone talks about them

OP posts:
superjobeespecs · 29/06/2011 11:40

15pc here Blush damn majorca and cheap coke!! i was 16 and broke :(

TotemPole · 29/06/2011 11:47

Pot noodle, toilet, own brand cola, polyester clothes, own brand beans, crab sticks. And a few others that I've done once or twice.Blush

itisnearlysummer · 29/06/2011 11:49

You should be ashamed!

Luckily Hmm my mum was a bit of a snob so my childhood was very well controlled... I knew I'd be grateful for it one day!

childfreeatm · 29/06/2011 11:51

I always thought of "Chav" as a style more than anything like "Emo" and "Indie". To me "Chav" is burberry, large gold jewellery, trackies, orange skin, lots of make up etc etc. I also associate "Chav" with antisocial behaviour as we get a lot dressed in this way hanging out abusing folks outside the local tesco.

Nowt to do with where you were born and raised.

TotemPole · 29/06/2011 11:53

I don't have crab sticks that often. Just now and then I'll see them when I'm shopping and the urge becomes overwhelming.Sad

itisnearlysummer · 29/06/2011 11:58

I think you need to offset the crabsticks with a butternut squash and then you're ok.

Trolley snobbery...

HTH Grin

TotemPole · 29/06/2011 12:00

Thank youGrin

LauLauLemon · 29/06/2011 12:04

Where I live it was a big thing in the eatly 2000's. My friends and I were "sweatys" or "greebos" because we listened to rock music and wore eyeliner and ha a corner of town where our friends would bmx or skateboard. The "chavs" would occasionally (about once a month) come in a group of fifteen or twenty with baseball bats and fight us. The police were involved several times and it usually ended in our bloodshed and a boy of thirteen

LauLauLemon · 29/06/2011 12:06

..had his arm broken and a few months later his nose because he wore black and had a lip piercing.

It seems to have died down now. Lately I see groups integrating and people in tracksuits with their ear lobes stretched listening to metal when ten years ago this just wouldn't have happened here.

Chav still gets thrown.around a lot and stands for council housed and violent.

dementedma · 29/06/2011 12:11

big difference between being a chav and being poor, methinks.

happybubblebrain · 29/06/2011 12:16

"Selfish, entitled, rude" pretty much describes everyone on Made in Chelsea - are they all chavs? - horrible lot.

FranSanDisco · 29/06/2011 12:18

A chav to me has too much money to spend on designer stuff and no sense of taste/style - oozes labels, ostentatious. It is they who look down on others as we aren't orange or Louis Vuittoned from head to foot. They are new money gone flash. We have loads in Essex and they don't have to be council house tenants at all. It's not about moeny it's about in yer face showing off. Now if what I describe isn't chav what is it?

kaluki · 29/06/2011 12:28

That chav test is so offensive and insulting.
Its got nothing to do with being poor or where you live.
I'm piss poor not very well off, a single parent and live in a council house but I'm definitely not a chav. Not that there is anything wrong with chav's imo, - to me a chav is just someone who dresses a certain way, not my choice tbh but each to their own.

TheAtomicBum · 29/06/2011 12:33

Haven't read all this thread, but I just happened to know etimology of the word "chav". It does not stand for anything. In fact, if you are told a word stands for something it is most likely an urban myth.

Chav is actually either Latin or Ancient Greek (I think Greek actually?), and it's closest translation is youthful, arrogant and unruly. It has been used in this way since the days of Socrates, but has revently gained popularity in describing the unruly behaviour one would expect to see on a council estate, and is now associated with poor style, over sized costume jewelry and boy racers who imitate the Fast and the Furious.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 29/06/2011 12:44

youthful, arrogant and unruly

Oh those were the days...

I wonder what middle-aged, arrogant and unruly would be, then Grin

serajen · 29/06/2011 12:49

why is everyone so 'class' obsessed and hellbent on putting people in categories, walk a mile in their shoes then you may be in a position to judge, we're all PEOPLE

TheAtomicBum · 29/06/2011 12:53

I think "Chav" was used by those who were Middle-aged and arrogant, originally. Socrates was quoted as describing the "youth of today" as being something that, and that they were disrespectful of their elders and "tyrants". So little has changed in 4,000 years....

Another example is the belief that "Gay" stands for "Good as You", which isn't true. The interesting thing is that "Gay" as a description of homosexuality was a variant of it's original meaning of frivolous and carefree. It was used as early as the 15th century to describe someone who was sexually frivolous and carefree, in other words promiscuous. It was often used in this way as a double meaning to up until the 1930's, but commonly still held the meaning of happy and carefree.

When homosexuality was illegal and considered a mental illness, many people used other words to describe this taboo subject, like a girl who was "Sporty" and a boy who was "artful". "Gay" had been used to describe sexual behaviour that didn't correspond to what people considered "normal" for many years, so it slowly became used more and more often to describe someone who people thought was homosexual. It was chosen by them as the term that was the least offensive in about the 1960's and 70's, as they still disliked the term "homosexual" because it sounded too clinical and too much like a mental illness. Now it's pretty much lost it's original meaning.

itisnearlysummer · 29/06/2011 12:53

well I'm not sure what shoes would lead to someone requiring to chuck their cigarette ends on other people's gardens, sit in the car with the engine running on the driveway, windows down and stereo at full volume at 10.30pm and then verbally abuse anyone who politely asked them to turn it down. Hmm

TotemPole · 29/06/2011 12:56

well I'm not sure what shoes would lead to someone requiring to chuck their cigarette ....

white Reebok Classic trainers Grin

TheAtomicBum · 29/06/2011 12:57

I've been on many a council estate and not seen this behaviour. It's just yet another cultural stereotype made popular by the middle class in order to look down on people IMO.

itisnearlysummer · 29/06/2011 12:58

Ah yes! Silly me!!! Grin

Nice!

Omigawd · 29/06/2011 13:03

"Chav" is used these days to describe nearly anything Naice Middle Class Mummies don't approve of.

Not ths same as a Yob (the rude, attitudy lot), but often tranposed

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 29/06/2011 13:05

AtomicBun I am (or rather have been) the very definition of a gay chav in that case. Excellent! Grin

PrettyMeerkat · 29/06/2011 13:11

I love this:

Chavs aren't where you live, what you wear, what you call your kids.

Chav is what you do.

From what I can tell there are 2 types. The oranged faced one's who have plenty of money but all dress like labelled poncy hairdressers and there are the cheaper kind, not poor, but with a certain chav style that is so hard to pin point.

BootyMum · 29/06/2011 13:27

OMG I'm 22% Chav!

I say "dessert" and get a lot of my meals from the freezer.