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To wonder theoretically if...

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Cain · 18/06/2011 22:28

all the unemployed private sector workers with relevant skills swapped places with the dissatisfied public sector workers, could it avert the economic crisis the strikes will cause... ?

AIBU?

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swanker · 19/06/2011 00:53

Hahaha- typical AIBU OP response- it's not going how they wanted, but you SM are 'not responding appropriately' Grin tut tut.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 00:53

WhereYouLeftItSun 19-Jun-11 00:44:41

Cain, I'm struggling here to follow you. Your OP was a bit woolly,

It wasn't woolly but I appreciate that on a Saturday eve most of you are drinking.
Striking to me in the current economic climate is very obtuse and not going to have the impact you want as it will just piss off the electorate rather than the government.
My question was blatantly theoretical - what if...
Normally a public sector strike would not have a great impact but in the current climate it could push us back into recession and then you could not blame the Banks.

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swankerSun 19-Jun-11 00:43:57

Cain- are you unemployed?

The relevance of your question is?

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Cain · 19/06/2011 00:54

swankerSun 19-Jun-11 00:53:03

Hahaha- typical AIBU OP response- it's not going how they wanted, but you SM are 'not responding appropriately' tut tut.

You realise you are living up to your name?

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scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 00:55

you're a funny one
all strident and ballsy. until something you no likey
then its very much dont go there...

noncuro · 19/06/2011 00:56

Cain, what do you think of my response to your OP? Would be interested to know if you think it answers the question.

scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 00:57

i dont drink much cain,and im actually working so you have my sobriety and attention

swanker · 19/06/2011 00:59

"The relevance of your question is?" I am wondering why you were musing this, that is all.

"swankerSun 19-Jun-11 00:53:03

Hahaha- typical AIBU OP response- it's not going how they wanted, but you SM are 'not responding appropriately' tut tut.

You realise you are living up to your name?"

How is that swanking?

Notably- you still have not answered any of my relevant questions.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:00

scottishmummySun 19-Jun-11 00:46:27

youre touchy happy to belittle over public sector skills
all i could do that much better...
but when its put to you- go on then
you get all no dont go there.not up for discussion

Umm I'm just trying to get a response to my OP. I know its hard to focus this late on a Sat eve but I'm not asking for the world.

I have a job, when made redundant during this recession, I retrained but my personal career choices are not the subject of this thread. Re-read if you need to.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:01

swankerSun 19-Jun-11 00:59:18

"The relevance of your question is?" I am wondering why you were musing this, that is all.

"swankerSun 19-Jun-11 00:53:03

Hahaha- typical AIBU OP response- it's not going how they wanted, but you SM are 'not responding appropriately' tut tut.

You realise you are living up to your name?"

How is that swanking?

Notably- you still have not answered any of my relevant questions.

I thought I had...what did I miss?

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scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 01:03

youre avoidant and v dont go there when it relates to yourself
but demanding exacting answers of others
really if you so good at sen,set up self employed consultant.advise other parents get a client base. watch the mulla roll in as you show the teachers a few tricks

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/06/2011 01:04

I expect it is Cain who has been drinking .

Unable to answer even a question that is only looking for clarification, she resorts to insults.

For the record, I worked for 25 years in the private sector and 18 months in the public. Pay and benefits were far better in the private sector. My pension contributions were less and I had to work fewer years to achieve full pension. Plus paid overtime!

swanker · 19/06/2011 01:04

Q1-"taxes are hitting households in real time"- what does this mean?

Tax is paid twice a year, based on the previous tax-year's income, unless you are PAYE in which case tax is exactly the same as it always has been.

Q2- if the public sector is so attractive, then surely people wanting to work there already would- unemployed or not.

Q3- (the biggy) DO you honestly think that any strikes by public sector worker will cause economic crisis? Why is this? (as I said above- there doesn't seem to be much support for striking within the public sector)

noncuro · 19/06/2011 01:05

"Umm I'm just trying to get a response to my OP. I know its hard to focus this late on a Sat eve but I'm not asking for the world."

I'm pretty sure I gave you one, still waiting for your comments.

swanker · 19/06/2011 01:06

When you say you retrained, do you mean this is when you did your PhD?

If you purposefully retrained, why did you not do PGCE if you wish to teach? Confused

I haven't touched a drop of alcohol this month, just for the record.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:07

You see the problem I have is that you are all picking holes in my posts but not a ONE OF YOU CAN RESPOND TO MY OP.

Sheesh

Bollocks it was woolly. It was two lines ffs.

All I can conclude is that the public sector are just embroiled in their sense of entitlement and cannot justify it in any other way. The next dip into recession will be on their heads.

Pick holes in that all night if you like. I'm going to bed. Will check in tomorrow to see if there is anything worth reading.

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scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 01:08

avoidant and persecutory
nice mix
and you still dont give straight answer

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:09

WhereYouLeftItSun 19-Jun-11 01:04:01

I expect it is Cain who has been drinking .

Unable to answer even a question that is only looking for clarification, she resorts to insults.

For the record, I worked for 25 years in the private sector and 18 months in the public. Pay and benefits were far better in the private sector. My pension contributions were less and I had to work fewer years to achieve full pension. Plus paid overtime!

And your point relevant to my OP is?

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noncuro · 19/06/2011 01:10

I DID respond to your OP, you ignored it. If you missed it:

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YABU.
It won't avert the economic crisis as...

a) not everyone unemployed has the relevant skills (not disputing some do, but I find it hard to believe that the entire public sector workforce can be replaced from the unemployed. Simple maths really)

b) even if they could be replaced from the unemployed, we'd still have millions of unemployed to look after

c) as other posters have eloquently said, this isn't a public/private sector war. It's about a small elite treating all of us like rubbish. If private sector workers accepted public sector wages without the benefit of pensions then there would be social unrest and...

d) if those private sector people didn't have adequate wages AND pensions, then we just postpone the issue to when those ex-private sector workers reach retirement, having not been able to save enough, we end up having to give many more people than anticipated state pension benefits. It's a matter of when you give them the money, not if.

I might have agreed with you until this year, when I started studying employment law. It really opened my eyes to how badly workers are treated.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:10

swankerSun 19-Jun-11 01:06:46

When you say you retrained, do you mean this is when you did your PhD?

If you purposefully retrained, why did you not do PGCE if you wish to teach?

I haven't touched a drop of alcohol this month, just for the record.

Are you congenitally obtuse or do you practice?

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scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 01:12

if you have Phd equivalent level knowledge,why are you not using it.given you reckon you run rings round the teachers. so you do indeed illustrate your own point any joe public can do a public sector job

so get to it then,chop chop

swanker · 19/06/2011 01:13

I practice- plenty of people modelling the behaviour on AIBU.

You still cannot answer my questions, you obviously are not interested in a rational debate.

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:16

noncuroSun 19-Jun-11 01:10:05

I DID respond to your OP, you ignored it. If you missed it:

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YABU.
It won't avert the economic crisis as...

a) not everyone unemployed has the relevant skills (not disputing some do, but I find it hard to believe that the entire public sector workforce can be replaced from the unemployed. Simple maths really)

Granted but there could be enough to make a difference no?

b) even if they could be replaced from the unemployed, we'd still have millions of unemployed to look after

Of course - I said swapped places. It wasn't a suggestion to reduce unemployment...

c) as other posters have eloquently said, this isn't a public/private sector war. It's about a small elite treating all of us like rubbish. If private sector workers accepted public sector wages without the benefit of pensions then there would be social unrest and...

Do you really think this is personal? this is the entire economy in crisis. Striking just adds to the problem.

d) if those private sector people didn't have adequate wages AND pensions, then we just postpone the issue to when those ex-private sector workers reach retirement, having not been able to save enough, we end up having to give many more people than anticipated state pension benefits. It's a matter of when you give them the money, not if.

Don't be silly, I have already accepted that there will be no state pension when I retire. Its on my head to provide for my future.

I too studied employment law, life isn't fair. Boohoo.

I might have agreed with you until this year, when I started studying employment law. It really opened my eyes to how badly workers are treated.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 19/06/2011 01:19

Scottishmummy, I don't think she has a PhD, it was more of an expression. I think it stems from her posting -
"I am a mother of a child with SEN and can say with absolute confidence that where his teachers have a PGCE I have the PHD in teaching."
which I took to be her way of saying that her child's teachers are qualified but she knows more about teaching her child than they do.

Which, when you think about it, is much-of-a-muchness with the general anger and sneeriness she is displaying.

scottishmummy · 19/06/2011 01:22

no,i got that!but her premise is she could do a sen teacher job with her PhD in told you so and major in common sense. so yes why not?why not set up as advisor to parents, compile reports, impart your knowledge.after all anyone can do a public sector job

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Cain · 19/06/2011 01:22

scottishmummySun 19-Jun-11 01:12:10

if you have Phd equivalent level knowledge,why are you not using it.given you reckon you run rings round the teachers. so you do indeed illustrate your own point any joe public can do a public sector job

so get to it then,chop chop

SM you are extrapolating beyond reason.
I was demonstrating that you don't need and infact are not adequately equipped, if you have a pgce to teach in all areas you will be required to do.
I don't run rings round ds' teachers but they need my input to manage him effectively. The pgce is inadequate. Real skills are more relevant.

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