to pronounce the champagne Moet mow-ett as opposed to Mow-ay and have a ridiculously stupid mini-row about it?

[GetOrf]

Disclaimer - I am not a poncetastic twat. Get that in before you lot accuse me.

At MILs last night, couple of SILs there. My MIL loves champagne, it was a distinct luxury when she was younger and I don't think she bought a bottle until she was in her 40s. Now she is making up for lost time and I always buy her a decent bottle for her birthdays, mothers day etc.

We were talking about different brands, and she was remembering the different ones she has tried, I said that a cheapish one which I had bought from Sainsbos (Charles something) was rated in the Sunday Times as being better than the more recognised brands such as Moet etc.

At which point my SIL laughed scoffingly and said 'I would have thought you would have known that the French don't5 pronounce the t on the end of the word, it is pronounce Mow-AY' (said in full on condescending terms).

I said fuck off dicksplash 'no it is pronounced Mo-ETT, theword is Dutch anyway'

She carried on 'no it's not, champagne is French not dutch, next you will be saying Edam comes from Wales'

She really got on my tits.

It's Theydon Boyce.

I have really learned something new here too, thanks!

In any case, the thing that ruffles my feathers is the way in which your SIL spoke to you. I really have a problem with people trying to make others feel stupid. I don't know what kind of relationship you have with your SIL, but if I was with someone who mispronounced something and I knew for a fact it was pronounced differently, I would either say nothing (does it matter) or find a classy and polite way to say the word is pronounced differently, e.g. "I always thought it was pronounced that way too, but I found out the name is Dutch, therefore pronounced ...".

Well done you for being right Getorf!

When I was very little and lived in the US we were in a "French restaurant" and my dad never tires of this story had the steak with some sort of a sauce, called Steak Au Jus. They tend to put your dish in front of you and ask if you want more of some element of it.

In this instance the offer was "would y'all like some more of the oh zhooo?"

bruschetta is another good example pointydog! Say it right - you sound wrong/poncy. Say it wrong - like everybody else, but you are crying inside

And no, it's veuve clee-coh!

These are all from the same person:

amazing new concealer she had called TOU-SHA-LAY. Took about 5 mins to work out she meant the YSL Touch Éclat...

oatcakes made by NARINS

famous champagne VERVY CLEEK

WELSH RABBIT on the menu at the pub (was confused when I pointed out it was a vegetarian option!)

PINOT GRINGO is her fave wine

...and dont get me started on her odd and outdated ideas on gays, sex ed, homework, working mums, child benefit, London, and foreign travel. Every day is a scream

I always say "pye-ya-mas", but I've been inordinately influenced by Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid.

I hate when people mispronounce jalapeño, and it goes further, I've reverse-engineered my loathing for Getting it Wrong to people who spell chili with two Ls (the double-L in [Mexican, at least, if not "mainland"] Spanish is pronounced as "y").

Also, I don't know how Jose Morinho keeps from punching newscasters for coming down hard on the J, but I suppose that's his business.

But I have been humbled in one regard: DP and I used to laugh and point at a friend - crazy American woman we know - who pronounces Ikea as "ee-KAY-ya", because we've BEEN TO SWEDEN, MAN, and real Swedes pronounce it "Eye-kee-ya".

Erm, until one of the Swedes admitted that they only do that to English speakers - amongst themselves, it's "ee-KAY-ya".

Right, back to my Sains-bur-ees-bas-ics-rum-and-caff-een-free-dye-et-coke.

Isn't it a hard J because he's Portuguese and not Spanish?

Vintagepommery, it's most definitely not "cortitzo", your friend is trying to Italianise a Spanish word. Sure you will be gentler on her/him than the OP's SIL was on her! Either choreetho or choreesso is correct (South Americans and Andalucians don't lisp the "s") so Rick was right.

As for Jose Mourinho, definitely a soft J (think like Zsa Zsa Gabor) as he is Portuguese but, with Portuguese pronounciation not being very widely known compared to Spanish, a lot of people think the newscasters are getting it wrong. (Not you MarinaIvy, I think you were saying the same thing as I am).

It's Theydon Boys, some v good friends live there, has been totally anglicised. I was on the other end of something like this recently, when I took a taxi in Singapore to a street called Erskine Road. Erskine is a town in Scotland, I am Scottish, it's pronounced exactly as you'd expect. The driver looked at me blankly, asked me about three times, made me point to it on a map and then said, as if I was an idiot, "oh, you mean Osskeen Road". I nodded - when in Rome...

Loving this thread.

MarinaIvy, surely if you object to "chilli" with 2 "l"s then you have to go the who hog and insist on the actual Spanish/Mexican spelling, which is "chile"?

I dislike the way that Americans say "herbs" as "erbs". If they spelled it herbes I might let them off though.

thanks Teenie- that's good to know!

but it's p'tschammas really because it's arabic.

Jose Mourinho prounces it zho-zay, so....

nickelbabe EXACTLY! Pronounce it the way the bearer of the name would! Maligning food is bad enough, but mispropnouncing a person's name is downright rude!

TeenieLeek Sorry - too much of the afore-mentioned rum&CFDC. I suppose, though, Americans think they're pronouncing it the way the French would.

Re. the OP - but I do come from Wales!

But if the OP's DH was adamant how it was pronounced, surely her BIL, (nasty SIL's DH) would say the same?