to think that mn has gone mad with many posters assuming most woman are choosing to be subservient to men.

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It seems lately that on MN many posters are taking things to far with this attitude.

This is about many threads to many to mention but it riles me, just because a woman cant drive, might like a bit of kinky spanking, laugh at a joke made by a man or want to call an ambulance in an emergency that it is a slur and disservice to all of woman kind.

I feel this kind of attitude I have come across on does more damage to woman kind in assuming we are second class citizens to men and that we will never have an equal footing in society. I have lived with men, grown up with men, worked with men and socialized with men and have not felt any more put down degraded or second class to men any more than some woman I have lived with worked with or socialized with.

why do we need the constant reminder men are bad, sex is degrading and woman are so woe betided.

just a rant mostly and will accept the flaming

I know it's kind of apropos of nothing, other than a comment by sunshineandbooks further up the thread but

there is something really depressing about the fact that beautiful women succeed as beautiful women rather than anything else.

I mean, for example, someone like Cyndi Crawford, who was/is an academically gifted woman, and was training in the field of science. Her example tells us that society rewards women for their appearance far more than it rewards them for any other aspect of their being. I do find that a bit depressing.

I'm not sure that's quite right is it animula? I know a few beautiful women who are successful other than as beautiful women (although I believe there is some evidence to suggest that it boosts your chances professionally or financially to be attractive). And for the Cindy Crawford example, she is better rewarded for her looks than her scientific ability, but I suspect more women are rewarded for their scientific ability than their looks.

Am now trying to think of an academically gifted footballer who earns more for his sporting prowess than his brains, but failing (owing to limited knowledge of footballers rather than their limited academic ability )

Well there is evidence to suggest that beautiful women are more likely to be hired, even if their qualifications are not as good. But then there is also some evidence that taller men earn more money, and are more likely to be hired. Humans are sometimes pretty shallow towards men and women. Also let's forget that most male actors aren't really prized for their intellect. (Though interestingly they're not expected to get naked nearly as often as women.)

It's depressing that anyone male or female could earn more for standing around and looking pretty than they could for working on curing cancer. But that's market forces for you.

I agree with OP. I don't know why I can't say DH is a better driver! He is. He is interested in cars and likes driving-I have no interest whatsoever and only drive through necessity-of course he is better. It is no big deal,I know other couples the other way around. It is only a skill.
I am also Mrs and not Ms-mere personal choice-nothing more.
I am somewhat put off feminist threads.