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should we tell colleague we aren't doing a collection for her wedding or just leave her to be surprised when no money is produced for her

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takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:01

A colleague at work is getting married later in the year. There is some bad feeling about her at the moment and most members of our small team (of six people) have said they are not prepared to chip into a collection to buy her a gift.

As background. Two and a half years ago she got married for the second time. We collected over £150 for them and gave them the money as they wanted to buy a new household appliance with it. They received a lot of money from our management too and some of the customers also had a collection for her. At the reception her new husband took all the money from all the cards and put them aside without even looking who had sent them. He then started using the money to buy alcohol with. They didn't thank anybody for any of the gifts and they didn't buy the new appliance. They did spend a lot of money on alcohol and ran up a lot of debts with rent and council tax etc as well as borrowing money from friends.

Just over a year after they got married the new husband died (pre-existing heart condition) and we had another collection, close to £200 just from us, again more from the management and customers. Our colleague also made about £15,000 from the sale of the house she had owned with her first husband. She paid off some of the debts and finally bought the new appliance and other furniture and made a downpayment on her second husbands grave and headstone. She took several months off work to recover and we covered her work as best we could, a lot of extra work for everyone but in the circumstances it was the right thing to do. People made a big effort to look after her, taking her shopping, giving her things she said she needed, driving her about to appointments and the cemetary, inviting her for Christmas etc. One man even left his wife and children on Christmas day to collect her from someone elses house and drive her to the cemetary to visit.

What we didn't know is that within less than a month of her husband dying our colleague was living with his friend as a couple, although she kept this secret at first.

When we found out we felt a bit shocked but it's her business. They are planning to get married later this year, less than two years since her second husband died.

The bad feeling has arisen because since then she has borrowed money, ran up more debts, her new partner doesn't work and she recently asked to reduce her hours to 16 per week because she wants to claim carers allowence from him (but he does not need a carer and she may not get it, he had a biggish operation but is otherwise back to full health and can walk, use the loo, dress himself etc with no problems, he goes out to the pub etc.) She reduced her hours at such short notice that someone else had to cancel a holiday to cover for her. Other people have had bereavements and partners who have been ill or lost jobs in this time and she has never once shown the concern she received.

She expects a lot of favours in regards to picking and chosing the best hours to work etc or having people swap shifts with her if necessary but doesn't do the same in return. She spends a lot of time complaining about everything.

Last week she told us that she wants to buy a new bed and so could we just give her the money again when she gets married rather than use it to buy something for her. We are not invited to the wedding, none of it. Not the hen party, not the service, not the reception or the evening piss up party. Even colleagues who have worked with her for over 20 years have not been invited.

And so my colleagues have said (privately) they are not going to buy her anything or give to a collection. One of them is new and already has had several run-in's with our colleague because she is bossy and hard to get on with, one has two children and her husband is only getting sporadic agency work and one is saying that she is not giving money for a new bed when she knows full well it will be spent on gin (as per last time).

I've known the colleague a long time and even I feel that I don't want to give to a collection.

Would we be more unreasonable to tell her so in advance of the wedding or should we just leave it and see if she says anything when no collection money is offered to her. It doesn't seem to have crossed her mind that we won't be doing a collection for her at all.

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takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:54

razzlebathbone it's a small bar and restaurant and our boss is lovely, he would have been totally stuck without her and the colleague who was taking time off so she said she would cancel and take a different week,

ursula she made it our business by telling us this was why and then telling us he doesn't even need her to be a carer, they are just trying to work the system.

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activate · 02/06/2011 20:56

I think you should tell her

leave a note on her desk and say that there will be no collection this time but you all give her your best wishes for a happy future

then club together and buy her a card

FabbyChic · 02/06/2011 20:57

Id certainly not give her money, I like the idea of a card and a bottle of wine.

Just collect a £1 from everybody if they want to give.

ChaoticAngelbitchfromhell · 02/06/2011 21:03

Quite frankly I wouldn't contribute a penny.

thegruffalosma · 02/06/2011 21:04

I lost any sympathy at 'just give me the cash instead of getting me a present'. What an effing cheek to expect ANYTHING from people you haven't invited, are unpleasant to, owe money to! I would collect nothing and say nothing - it sounds like she's a nightmare to work with already so don't think you could make it any worse. Either that or I would do a collection for the colleague she owes the hundred quid to!

Abelia · 02/06/2011 21:06

Well, using the actual notes given to buy booze or something else with is not really a problem is it. But I can see that you would be annoyed if you'd given money for an appliance for the new home which never got bought and not because they had a big emergency like eg faulty boiler needing to be replaced.

Anyway being pedantic now. Do a card and say nothing. If she wants to question it and have it out, then have your reasons ready, ranging from "alas times are hard" to "we're not invited to your wedding so didn't feel the need to buy anything" to "you are a grasping user and you're getting nowt."

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 21:13

Abelia it was a bit Shock at the time, because they had no idea who had given them what (if anything) because he wasn't even looking at the cards to find out. It was a bit like my brother with birthday cards when he was seven. No cash in them, no interest in them. Other guests, family etc were also a bit Shock at it too.

But could be another solution if it happens at this wedding. "Yes, we did have the collection, of course we did, the money was in your card..." Grin

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razzlebathbone · 02/06/2011 21:18

Ah, thanks for clarification on the holiday thing OP. I misunderstood and thought someone had had to cancel an actual holiday - as in going away somewhere - rather than annual leave iyswim. :)

Georgimama · 02/06/2011 21:21

At least she isn't planning on what this woman did with her wedding gift money.

ScrotalPantomime · 02/06/2011 21:22

Tbh I wouldn't bother telling her. She will get the message when she opens the card and no money falls out. Only a truly grasping moo would actually say anything.

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 21:23

I should have made that clear, no she wanted some time off for a family occasion and decided to take the full week rather than three days so she could do some things at home too. She missed a family celebration but she didn't have to cancel a big holiday away.

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trixymalixy · 02/06/2011 21:26

Bloody hell £4k to go up one cup size!! Hardly worth it.

I misread it as well and thought it was her that was 24 and had an 11 year old and 10 year old!!

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 21:27

Georgimama Shock and Grin. That's quite some front she has asking for money for that!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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BeeMyBaby · 02/06/2011 21:27

I suggest a card and a groupon voucher, got a groupon voucher (cost £5 worth £25 towards the cost of a photo book she could use as a wedding album) along with a small sanctuary bath set for a colleague just from our office (so about 6 of us) and she was genuinely pleased (she also got money from management but that was up to management). They generally have a deal on photobooks at least once every two months.

glassofwhiteanybody · 02/06/2011 21:28

If you're going to continue to work with this woman, I think in the interests of maintaining some harmony in the office it wouldn't harm you to put in about £2 - £3 each and buy champagne or similar.

I do worry that you've put a bit too much detail on your OP and could easily be identified

shandyleer · 02/06/2011 21:39

If I was the colleague I'd be embarrassed at the idea of my workmates giving me even more money - you've all been incredibly generous over the last few years, with sympathy and support, as well as money.

LordOfTheFlies · 02/06/2011 21:39

Card/wine/chocolates sounds fine.
If someone is nimble fingered maybe a Cross Stitch picture or embroidered cushion.Something nice and personal for the home( Doesn't cost much except time but you can't put a price on it)

On the other hand it sounds like she's in need of a short-sharp-shock and bringing down to size,
Give her a card and say nothing.If she says anything( Shock if she does) feign surprise.

MadamDeathstare · 02/06/2011 21:41

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montmartre · 02/06/2011 21:45

What happened to the first husband?

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 21:56

Divorce.

Someone has been in touch to say the thread will be deleted, but that's another long story Grin

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G1nger · 02/06/2011 21:57

So quick quick, takethis... - What are you going to do?

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 21:59

Appeal to the better natures of my colleagues for a small bottle of fizz or at least a card and hope she doesn't say "where's my bed money you tight arsed cows."

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G1nger · 02/06/2011 22:00

...but secretly hope she does say it? ;)

thumbwitch · 02/06/2011 22:04

she may leave...
(fingers crossed!) Grin

montmartre · 02/06/2011 22:45

Shock Is she a MNer?

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