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should we tell colleague we aren't doing a collection for her wedding or just leave her to be surprised when no money is produced for her

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takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:01

A colleague at work is getting married later in the year. There is some bad feeling about her at the moment and most members of our small team (of six people) have said they are not prepared to chip into a collection to buy her a gift.

As background. Two and a half years ago she got married for the second time. We collected over £150 for them and gave them the money as they wanted to buy a new household appliance with it. They received a lot of money from our management too and some of the customers also had a collection for her. At the reception her new husband took all the money from all the cards and put them aside without even looking who had sent them. He then started using the money to buy alcohol with. They didn't thank anybody for any of the gifts and they didn't buy the new appliance. They did spend a lot of money on alcohol and ran up a lot of debts with rent and council tax etc as well as borrowing money from friends.

Just over a year after they got married the new husband died (pre-existing heart condition) and we had another collection, close to £200 just from us, again more from the management and customers. Our colleague also made about £15,000 from the sale of the house she had owned with her first husband. She paid off some of the debts and finally bought the new appliance and other furniture and made a downpayment on her second husbands grave and headstone. She took several months off work to recover and we covered her work as best we could, a lot of extra work for everyone but in the circumstances it was the right thing to do. People made a big effort to look after her, taking her shopping, giving her things she said she needed, driving her about to appointments and the cemetary, inviting her for Christmas etc. One man even left his wife and children on Christmas day to collect her from someone elses house and drive her to the cemetary to visit.

What we didn't know is that within less than a month of her husband dying our colleague was living with his friend as a couple, although she kept this secret at first.

When we found out we felt a bit shocked but it's her business. They are planning to get married later this year, less than two years since her second husband died.

The bad feeling has arisen because since then she has borrowed money, ran up more debts, her new partner doesn't work and she recently asked to reduce her hours to 16 per week because she wants to claim carers allowence from him (but he does not need a carer and she may not get it, he had a biggish operation but is otherwise back to full health and can walk, use the loo, dress himself etc with no problems, he goes out to the pub etc.) She reduced her hours at such short notice that someone else had to cancel a holiday to cover for her. Other people have had bereavements and partners who have been ill or lost jobs in this time and she has never once shown the concern she received.

She expects a lot of favours in regards to picking and chosing the best hours to work etc or having people swap shifts with her if necessary but doesn't do the same in return. She spends a lot of time complaining about everything.

Last week she told us that she wants to buy a new bed and so could we just give her the money again when she gets married rather than use it to buy something for her. We are not invited to the wedding, none of it. Not the hen party, not the service, not the reception or the evening piss up party. Even colleagues who have worked with her for over 20 years have not been invited.

And so my colleagues have said (privately) they are not going to buy her anything or give to a collection. One of them is new and already has had several run-in's with our colleague because she is bossy and hard to get on with, one has two children and her husband is only getting sporadic agency work and one is saying that she is not giving money for a new bed when she knows full well it will be spent on gin (as per last time).

I've known the colleague a long time and even I feel that I don't want to give to a collection.

Would we be more unreasonable to tell her so in advance of the wedding or should we just leave it and see if she says anything when no collection money is offered to her. It doesn't seem to have crossed her mind that we won't be doing a collection for her at all.

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ByThePowerOfGreyskull · 02/06/2011 20:25

Sadly the moment has passed for my initial thought.

"Just give me cash don't buy me a gift" my response would have been ooh we hadn't planned on getting you a gift. but that isn't possible now.

I reckon a bottle of asti from asda with a bow on it and a card should be enough for her to get a clear message/

Georgimama · 02/06/2011 20:26

Your employers weren't obliged to reduce her hours; they could have said no. That's hardly her fault that her changed circumstances led to inconvenience for colleagues - she asked for a change and it was granted. You should be annoyed with your bosses not her.

Her late husband sounds like a bit of a nob about the money gifts at their reception but he's dead so it's hardly fair to speak ill of him now or hold her responsible for things he did. And the rest just sounds really judgy, frankly, and I am probably one of the judgiest people on MN. So what if she is getting married two years after he died? Maybe you aren't invited because you peered down your noses at her at her last one. Or perhaps conscious of the fact she is relatively recently widowed, she wants a small wedding? Poor cow.

Buy her a bottle of bubbly and leave it at that.

KatieScarlett2833 · 02/06/2011 20:26

I would put into the collection, sorry. Her personal finances are none of my business.

bluebobbin · 02/06/2011 20:26

catsmother - great idea. She would have to be fantastically rude to complain about a bottle of champagne.

Georgimama · 02/06/2011 20:27

What Ursula said, basically.

chicletteeth · 02/06/2011 20:29

Buy her a bottle of hard spirits and say , you figured it was just easier this way since that what she'd spend the money on.

My guess is, there will be a wedding number 4 sometime in the not too distant future

chicletteeth · 02/06/2011 20:30

that is what

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:30

Thanks everyone. The small gift of champagne is one to consider actually, that might be a good way to go, or a card from everyone and a private word beforehand saying that we just can't afford to do a collection this year. We have already stopped collecting for birthdays etc so that might help.

I know what you mean about the money being theirs to spend as they chose last time and maybe needing to prioritise elsewhere (but surely Bluetinkerbell your priority isn't lots of nights out at the pub is it? And if it were would you then still complain to the people who gave you the money that you still needed the thing you could have bought but didn't?) but I can also see where my colleague is coming from when she says she doesn't want to give her money for one thing and see it going the same way a second time.

And yes their debts are their business, but she tells everyone about them, does still try to borrow money, still owes one colleague £100 she borrowed months ago, and she just makes it our business by talking about it to us.

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LorettaMasonPotts · 02/06/2011 20:30

When one of my colleagues is getting married, instead of a collection, we get a bottle of cheap cava champagne and a card for everyone to sign. Then we decorate her desk with balloons and confetti so it looks very festive & celebratory.

Doesn't cost much but marks the occasion.

She's a bit cheeky to expect money from you!

thumbwitch · 02/06/2011 20:30

I like Catsmother's idea - but as none of you are even invited to any of the wedding, why feel obliged to buy her anything at all? I wouldn't, not again.

Certainly if you do feel that you should do something (and I totally understand why you wouldn't) then the card and bottle of champagne is the way forward - probably ~£3 each? not too much? And if she complains, take it back and drink it yourselves.
Some people in life are just takers and users - and she sounds like one of them.

Abelia · 02/06/2011 20:31

OP, YANBU as this lady doesn't really "need" a collection does she. She's not a young newly wed starting out with nothing.

Out of interest, how do you know she spent the money you'd all collected, specifically that money, on booze? Did she tell you? I can imagine she might well have done, I'm not trying to pick over things, just curious.

MissJanuary · 02/06/2011 20:32

I wouldn't put into a collection for a wedding I was not invited to, and I think you and your colleagues are mad if you do.

Buy a nice card, you all sign it and wish her well.

She is a cheeky cow in anticpating that you will do a cash collection again, time for a wake up call.

G1nger · 02/06/2011 20:35

No invitation: no present. Simple. I wouldn't think you're being unreasonable on the rest of it, either.

GreenEyesandHam · 02/06/2011 20:35

I'd put in for her or buy a token gift.

Don't be too judgy. She might leave, and then it could be you that becomes the subject of the workplace bitchfest Wink

valiumbandwitch · 02/06/2011 20:36

I vote for do nothing collect nothing and say nothing, but the downside to that is no judging her either!

ginmakesitallok · 02/06/2011 20:36

card and some bedding for her new bed

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:36

Abelia well we were there when he started to spend it but yes she told us and he mentioned it a few times too. She shares a lot (we have that in common but I have said previously that I will change my username to Queenofthelongposts if only I can work out how Grin.

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lubberlich · 02/06/2011 20:38

Cough up a couple of quid each and buy her a matress protector.

takethisonehereforastart · 02/06/2011 20:41

Sorry, thread was moving fast.

Whoever it was that asked, I know he can wipe his own arse because she's admitted he can look after himself but his sister told her it was worth a try to apply for carers allowance on the off chance they will just get it on the basis of his operation.

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shakey1500 · 02/06/2011 20:41

I probably wouldn't contribute (based on what you've disclosed) because I'd be peed off she has assumed there will be a cash collection like before. Add to that there's no invitation even to the night "do". I'd possibly, out of courtesy, give a congratulations card.

UrsulaBuffay · 02/06/2011 20:42

I don't think its any business of people at work why she wants to reduce hours. She sounds like a bit of a gobshite, but I'm bloody glad I don't work at your place.

razzlebathbone · 02/06/2011 20:44

What kind of place is it you work? I can't understand why it's her fault someone had to cancel their holiday because she reduced her hours?

I agree with the card and bottle of Cava idea. I wouldn't dream of asking for anything and putting in a request from work colleagues no matter how many times I'd been married. I'd just feel touched to get anything.

atswimtwolengths · 02/06/2011 20:50

I think this thread should be removed, to be honest - there's far too much identifying information on this woman.

thumbwitch · 02/06/2011 20:52

report it then, atswim.

saffy85 · 02/06/2011 20:53

Blimey! I had no idea weddings were so lucrative! I'm marching DP daaaaannn Argos Earnest Jones for a ring this saturday, about time he made a rich honest woman of me. Grin

I think it's be a bit weird to contribute towards a gift for a wedding that not a single one of are invited to, small wedding or not. catsmother's idea is probably the best. I wouldn't give her cash after last time especially as you are probably all feeling the pinch in some way yourselves.

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