t...TO PUT YOU ONTO Panorama at 9pm tonight BBC1 TV. this will be hard to watch

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It is "secret filming" in hospitals or care homes People being illtreated (It has hads a lotof press publicity already) And will probably get a lot more.

that is very true keeping, I should have mentioned and considered this in my last post. In my experience it is mainly parents and carers who really do the lobbying, campaigning and ground work to try to improve standards and avoid cuts and support many families and other carers.

It is important to remember in 2 of the cases on this film the LA intervened with these families and placed these people in care. surely they also should be accountable for those placements.

the LA is accountable for any placement it makes...as is the PCT. It should have appropriate contract monitoring in place of the provider and carry out regular reviews.

I'd say £16,000 is not a low wage. I had graduates on £12,000, I started my job on £10,000( as a graduate)

Any way pay is no excuse for what went on there - it was systemic, institutionalised torture. And the prolonged filming means there is enough evidence to really throw the book at them.

Things have changed a lot. Think I was on about £3.86 an hour at the time.

I did my nurse training at 19,i saw some nurses treating patients so badly that i still think about it now I completed my training and have never ever allowed anything but good care anywhere i have worked. I aggree with the fact that the shite pay encourages less educated people to apply but i have also worked with some really uneducated people who were top notch carers.
We are now having to consider residential care for our grandma and as me my Mum and Sister are all nurses we are reluctant to say the least.

reelingintheyears Tue 31-May-11 22:36:04
I worked and trained as an RNMH in a large long stay hospital 25 years ago.

It was featured in the silent minority film.

I never ever witnessed anything remotely like the scenes shown in tonights Panorama.

The hospital i trained at was closed 18 years ago in the 'care in the community' programme and the residents were moved out into private care homes,some were run by former domestic staff who had no professional qualifications and just wanted the status of being in charge aswell as the monetary gain.

If some of those 'carers' have been arrested then i applaud the journalist who made the film.

Knowing both Madlizzy and Glitterknickaz (assuming Madlizzy is who I think she is), then I know that neither of them are sanctimonious or pious.

Its just something else to highlight all the BS that seems th be going on since that dick head came as pm.

I dont like the way, the programme was put on at 9.00pm tonight, When most people would have been watching corrie and BGT. Why could they not show it last week or next week.

Was it deliberetely played tonight, cause NOT that many people would watch it. Therefore the bbc, although obligated to show this programme at the same time. Helped the government to kind of bury it at the same time.

The programme on Strangeways over the last few weeks, has had lots of comments on fbook ect. But NOT this programme.

Also it is aired, at a time when everyone is discussing the cuts and new testing procedures to disabilty benefits.

Added onto that fact, is when David Cameron starts asking us all, to donate time and money to various organisations/charitys.

To me it all stinks of propaganda.

There is NO justification, for anyone to treat anyone like that. Them people are NO better than murderers.

Seriously cant believe that people are getting away, with behaviour like this, in this day and age.

bullet, thanks
there are a contingent on here who don't like me being quite voiciferous about the fact that this government are attempting to leave people with disabilities and their carers in poverty... they seem to think I have a sense of entitlement so therefore react to any of my posts on here

well Ifor one believe you do have an entitlement along with all other people in need of care and support. Ignore those ignorant people, we are living in a society where we have the decent human instinct to provide for the most vulnerable members of our society, I just fear this is going out the window as the Tories come in.

tomhardy thank you.... all I want is for my family to have the same opportunities as anyone else

I think Cameron has no insight into future and long term support, It may seem unfair to bring the subject of his own son up, but I think it is relevant that although personally and emotionally he has and does feel as many parents have and do. He has a greater moral responsibility to understand what it is like to fight for nappies, aides, homes and wheelchairs, let alone basic care and support that will enable people to live a valued life and have their soles ripped out by compulsory intervention that ends like this for the two people featured on this documentary. I hope the people featured are heavily compensated for their trauma and future support.

giraffesCantZumba What I meant is that people only seem to volunteer if they are affected directly by something. I have found by experience that it is very rare to find someone who does it out of the goodness out their heart, so to speak. I don't expect everyone to volunteer, do at 2 because due to my ds's many appointments, I struggle to find a paid job that would be flexible enough and I would rather be doing that than sitting at home doing nothing.

Five years ago my mother was in hospital being treated for cellulitis. The ward she was in treated her like absolute shit. I'll never forget it. The sister in charge said to me at one point, 'I have never been spoken to like that before.' Meaning that my mother shouted at her. Which was not nice for this nurse, or for any other nurses there, of course.

But this was a ward for elderly people. And my mother had vascular dementia, which was clearly stated on her notes when she was admitted. So you might have thought that the sister and her cohorts could have taken that in to account.

For 5 weeks, I went to the hospital every day with food and drink for my mother, because no one there had the time to feed her, or even to give her a drink of water. Apart from her dementia, my mother also had problems with her eyesight and her hearing. This meant that she was frightened every time she was approached by someone she didn't know - this fear meant that she needed reassurance that no one approaching her was about to do her harm. I pointed this out several times to her doctor and her nurses, but (I discovered subsequently) her sight/hearing problems, and her fearfulness, were never written down in her notes.

Any time I hear people describe nurses as 'angels', I laugh. I just hear that sister saying, 'I have never been spoken to like that before.' There was no 'angel ' who looked after my mother - just people who could not be bothered to feed her/give her a glass of water/reassure her - or even take her to the toilet (another story - which I don't want to go in to here).

i also watched some of this programme and had to turn of it was sickening i have been a carer in community and in hospitals but i have seen the other side as well families that do not care about elderley relative, abusing them not visiting letting them live in filth thinking carer is there to run around after them i have worked in hospital for several years and many a time been to ederley ward and where r the visitors i am not ecusing the carers but there are a lot of families out their that abuse there relatives but we do not hear about that

I watched some of this and I have to say it one of the most shocking things I've ever seen and I hope that this home is an exception to the quality of care provided in social care.
Also have to say it was a top class piece of investigative journalism

I watched the second half with my teenagers. We were all in tears. It was truly gut wrenching to see the parents watch footage of their daughter being abused. The treatment of the patients was horrific.

I know that lack of adequate training, resources, support and supervision can make these jobs gruelling but there is absolutely no excuse for the behaviour I saw on that documentary last night. Sickening.

Whilst some staff where I worked were awful, at no point were the service users treated like this. There are no excuses for that animalistic behaviour. That poor Simone, soaked and freezing. I had a lump in my throat when her parents watched the footage and Simone said "Mum. I'm cold". Horrible. The CQC did not make a judgement error - they failed to act, full stop. The management in that place knew what was happening thanks to the whistleblower, and they failed to act. Charge nurses failing to act. Lastly, that journalist failed to act. He could have stepped in at any time. Yes, Panorama brought it to the nation's attention, but he did not need to be there that long.

Just to say too - Bullet, thank you, and yes, I am who you think I am. x

I have been a carer, and found it hard to watchthis programme. My DH is an RMN, he didn't see it as he was at work last night.

I, like a previous poster, was shocked that two qualified nurses stood at watchedx this and said nothing. The rest of the "carers" are scum, I just could not believe that this inhumane treatment was allowed to happen. reminded me of Nazi Germany

I also think the care register should be stepped up.

I dont like the way, the programme was put on at 9.00pm tonight, When most people would have been watching corrie and BGT. Why could they not show it last week or next week.

sorry but thats a load of bollocks - have you not heard of Sky+, Iplayer or even a good old fashioned VCR?

I don't watch soaps or BGT. What a daft thing to say!

My older brother, who has learning difficulties, lives in supported accommodation and the mistreatment seen in last night's show is my worst nightmare for him.
And no, I cannot look after him in my own home and neither are my parents able to, before anyone suggests he should be living with us.
He wants his own independence but he needs support to be able to live this life.
To ensure that he is being properly treated I attend all his meetings with his carers and with his house managers. And if he has any problems he comes to me and I deal with them.
I will continue to closely monitor his living situation and his lifestyle because, sadly, the mistreatment of vulnerable people is seen far too often.
I shouldn't have to closely monitor it but I will have to because there will always be people who will sneak through all the checks into employment that will allow them to bully vulnerable people.
It's a very sad situation but one that has gone on forever, as a relative I must continue to be vigilant for my brother's sake and safety.

fucking fucking hell poor Simone, really harrowing. so bloody glad they exposed this

my heart goes out to others with relatives like this, I would hope this is an isolated incident

god