Measles Outbreak?

[MoaningLisa]

I am sure you have all heard on the news that there has been an outbreak of measles.

Papers, Schools, Hv, Drs are saying if you or your child haven't had the vaccine(s) now would be a good time to get it done.

I cant help but think though that the parents who haven't and wont get their child vaccinated are putting their children at risk.

Aibu to think that its just bloody selfish and very daring to play with their own childs life?

dd2 has had no jabs at all.

she has not had any of the diseases that are routinely vaxxed against in the uk. (I mean she has not overtly had any, obviously. we hav not had her immunity tested)

dd1 has had shedloads of jabs - loads of weird ones, and hten the full uk schedule up until 2. she has had suspected rubella

they have both had chicken pox (I only include this as it is becoming more common to vax against)

Oh yes, my two have both had chicken pox. When DD was 4 and DS was 9 months old. I know people who vaccinate their DC against chicken pox and can't understand why they do it.

My earlier post (cut and paste in response to LadyOfTheCuntryManors question)

I have chosen NOT to immunize. Both my boys have had measles and I can tell you that it was by no means a terrible ordeal! They got a high temp (much like chicken pox) and were treated accordingly, rash appeared , etc Nothing to get excited, terrified or panicked over I assure you. They have had Rubella, Measles, chicken pox and gotten over them with very little fuss.

Both boys had rubella when they were about 8 months old. With DS2 we didn't even know he was sick until the rash came out! They may have had mumps - often asymptomatic - we'll get them tested when they're older.

Not in developed countries squidgy.

All this talk of the WHO being a respectable organisation and hence the pro-vaxers completely believe in the MMR because the WHO supports it. Wasn't it for them and their poor handling/exaggeration of the H1N1 threat that prompted so many countries around the world to waste millions of dollars stockpiling antivirals which were then not even taken up by MOST consumers in England?? This is not conspiracy theory by the way. Widely reported.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/04/AR2010060403034.html

The WHO is guilty of scaremongering tactics.

Non vaccinated child, no not had mumps measles or rubella yet. I have had everything except measles and at 34 am not vaccinated against it. Nor is my teacher Husband at 37. My Grandma is 85 never had a vaccination and never had a childhood illness. She has also always refused the flu jab too.

squidgy, I wasn't rubbishing the entire work of the WHO. Just trying to balance the views of some of those on here who speak of the WHO as if they were the gospel.

I have also been to visit our head vaccine doctor/head of infectious diseases at the hospital, it was part of our informed decision.

My Husband who was on the fence with it all was fuming when he came away and thus the appointment only helped to confirm our non vaccination choice. NOt at any point did he try to convince us we should vaccinate either.

Squidgy's husband, according to the hpa - there is no evidence that mumps causes sterility. Do you know something they don't? I'm also sure you're aware that it is viral meningitis (the less serious version that very rarely has any long term effects and can be caused by many viruses) that mumps may cause - let's not scaremonger. Deafness is listed as a very rare side effect. All this information is available on the NHS website.

Re herd immunity. The UK has never had 95% mmr uptake so we have never had herd immunity to those diseases. We are not relying on it because it doesn't exist. The mmr uptake figures are available on the hpa website if you're interested.

Curly, evidence that doctors do not know everything.

Both my dd's are vaccinated, dd2 reacted badly to both injections (the first MMR and the booster), she ended up in A&E, we saw verious doctors and nurses, only one would admit it was a reaction to the MMR, Dd2 was diagnosed with autism at the age of 3, i'm not sure if the MMR played a part in her autism, all i know is that she seemed fine (great eye contact, responsive) until after her firs MMR vaccine. I can see why some parents would choose not to vaccinate and i feel that its there choice. All i know is that i dont trust doctors when they say 'there is no risk and no link to Autism and other sn's' (but thats just me).

If you are worried about your child getting measles the vaccinate them.

I was never vaccinated as in the 80's there was talk of a link bewtween vaccinations and epilepsy (because several family members have epilepsy my mum was told not to vaccinate), i had measales at the age of 4 and was not thet ill, i also had whooping cough, german measales and chicken pox and was unharmed.

Squidgy, we could start helping developing countries by ensuring they have clean water, decent sanitation and proper nutrition. That would solve a lit more problems than a measles vaccine!

Lot*

Same here Marne. Measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough and chicken pox survivor here. Some people on this thread would think it was a bloody miracle that we're alive! :)

I also think that children seem to pick more up these days, other than the above i was harly ever ill as a child, no stomach bugs or flu like illnesses, kids these days seem to pick up more bugs, maybe due to be vaccinated? (immune system not being allowed to be built up).

oh yes, me too -measles, mumps, chicken pox, rubella survivor.

also had rubella jab, though - not sure why - the old single one, at 12ish. I remember my mum saying I didn't need it.

but the nurse went ahead anyway - we clearly have ahistory of that in our family

From the hpa:

"Despite common belief there is no firm evidence that orchitis causes sterility."

They may be interested in that study you linked to.

You might have missed the mention of the 43000 cases of mumps in 2005 - so much for being less likely to come into contact with it.

Ah well Bubbly, to me squidgy's husband is the voice of reason on here - thank god!

Exactly my beliefs- I will continue to put my trust in the medical profession. Makes perfect sense.

Why put your children at risk of the diseases - yes you may get away with a mild case or not catch it all ( purely benefitting from herd immunity) - but the risk of serious side effects is very real.