to think that John Hemming is a dangerous man?

[Spero]

For all the Hemming apologists - please read this.

www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2011/04/27/hemming-an-abuse-of-privilege/

I'm not quite sure of the point of reproducing Trippy's posts from other threads. I do, though, think that you could learn from this: Trippy has pissed you off by making allegations that haven't been substantiated on this thread, but you constantly make unsubstantiated allegations on these threads, which can't be answered by the people involved.

I think we should all agree to leave Trippy out of this from now on. She sounds very distressed; none of us will ever know for sure what went on between her and John Hemming; and I think to continue posting about her and alleging she is lying will really amount to bullying.

Apparently all compassion is reserved for those in battle with the system, because it allows him to be a crusading knight. Lord knows I've met plenty of men like that in RL.

Mr Hemmings, I'm off to bed now - I've got to be up early to look after one of those children snatched from innocent families by evil social workers in cahoots with paediatricians, high court judges and deluded adoptoraptors - but please leave Trippy alone. Personally I see no reason not to believe her, but even if she is a mad fantasist you need to just back off and leave her be. Show some compassion, and some respect.

Spero, please let us know if you ever have your day in court with Mr Hemming. I would pay good money for tickets

lawyer I think, dittany.

Bugger, I've got to go to bed now. Another night of unanswered questions!

JH will you answer the questions? Particularly about your view of the court process. Given your recent behaviour in Parliament you do not appear to respect the rule of law, which is an interesting character trait for an MP.

Hester, for you and for 'adoptoraptors' you will have the first row reserved in the High Court for the epic libel battle which I really do hope is going to follow.

Dittany - I am a barrister, called to the Bar in 1994, working in family law since 1998 (so over egged pudding with 15 years experience, it is only 13). My work is 80% care proceedings and I have represented parents, LA and Guardians in many different kinds of case.

Last year I gave out my email address and invited anyone who was interested to come to court with me and see how the system works in practice and how hard the lawyers and judge work. I cleared it with the Bar Council who said it was ok as long as everyone else in the proceedings agreed.

No body wanted to come. offer still open.

Oh, that's interesting, Spero. I'd like to come! I'm really and truly off to bed now but will pm you.

That's a very kind offer Spero. I have spent enough time in Court with Foster Children. It took 4 years in Court for me to adopt my dd. I will pass on your offer but would encourage those that wish to learn the reality of the decision making process to attend.

:( I don't like the nastiness here.

I don't think John Hemming is the cause of anyone losing their child unecessarily, social services are guilty of causing that.

We do know he tries to stop and prevent misscarriages of justice with SS wanting unecessary mother and child seperation. And that's something to be
praised for.

Dear god Spero! a barrister! you must be loaded!!

yukoncher - the criticism we make of JH is that he is using vulnerable people at a difficult time of their lives in order to big himself up. He doesn't care about the individuals concerned or he wouldn't have been so dismissive of Trippy.

I don't think he has prevented any miscarriage of justice - as I have so frequently and no doubt tediously tried to point out, I think our system of justice is actually pretty good. The state funds lawyers for the parents who not incompetent fuckwits, generally speaking. Judges are conscientious and agonise over their decisions - generally.

JH spreads fear and mistrust so he can come over as some kind of crusader. Funny how his interest in SS only started after they wanted to look into the kind of care his own child was getting isn't it? Funny how he threatened to sue Birimingham City Council for vast sums of money for the 'torture' they inflicted on him and his girlfriend then that came to nothing?

He has an axe to grind. He isn't your friend. He won't help you.

I wish I was loaded. But those of us who do child protection are effectively government employees. I earn a decent wage but it is nothing amazing. I can't afford to buy anything other than a 2 bed flat in Brixton and that was on an interest only mortgage. Those of us in this line of work are definitely not in it for the money. I could be doing footballers divorces and earning a fortune. But I think I would rather sell my soul to the devil or JH. At least in this line of work you can kid yourself that you are trying to do something with a purpose.

I really must go to bed now. Damn you mumsnet.

Dittany - just read your post. That is really sad. But if that is your view so be it. You have a right to hold it, but I have a right not to respect it. You are wrong.

Come to court with me and see how hard I work for my money. Then you have a right to comment.

But you won't will you?

Because then, like CoteDazur you might have to replace your prejudice with facts and that would be an uncomfortable place for you to be.

Really, really am going to bed now.

Spero, as a barrister, you must know about parliamentary privilege... so you know fully well John Hemming was quite within his rights to name Ryan Giggs in the House.

There is a power struggle going on between the judiciary and parliament at the moment - the interesting thing is that both have the law on their side.

I don't know much about John Hemming, but I don't understand teh hostility towards him. It seems that he is one of the few powerful people to question the power of the state. Even if he gets things wrong, he provides a balance and a voice for those who feel that the state has acted unjustly towards them.

I think it was less than 50 years ago that we had certain charities sending orphans to Australia, splitting up brothers and sisters and many were badly mistreated. We had the Catholic church in Ireland virtually enslaving thousands of young women

abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129865&page=1

We had doctors diagnosing Munchausen's by proxy and sending innocent women to prison. We hear constant stories about the scandals in our hospitals, where elderly are left without food and are dehydrated, and all we seem to get are apologies. The high and mighty knew about all of these things. Where were all the social workers? Why didn't they put a stop to these injustices?

Even if John Hemming gets things wrong, at least he asks questions and has presumably helped people.

Took me ages to get to the end of this thread. Can't sleep.

I do find it odd how people suggest children should only be removed once they have been abused, surely children should not endure this abuse in the first place? Do people honestly believe the child should be hurt first before being removed? "Sorry, come back when you have a black eye then we will help you"

Bullshit.

And Psychological abuse is just as bad if not worse than physical. The emotional scars never leave you. Anyone who thinks that children should remain in an emotionally abusive situation is stupid. Emotional neglect can have a huge negative impact on a child/children.

With regards to JH I have heard off him, not liking what I have read in this thread though, you seem to avoid answering direct questions of any sort?

Yes the system isn't perfect, name one that is?

JH, any luck finding the original source and context for those odd looking stats you posted earlier? No idea whether allegations against you are true or false, but refusing to answer direct questions or provide proper info does not make you look like the reasonable party.