non military scouts?

[knittedbreast]

Hiya was wondering if anyone knew if there was a non military version of the scouts that exists at all for little boys of about 5/6?

Thanks

I understand the Op now. She is looking for a little hippy commune for kids. She does not like order, routine and wants to go against "THE MAN".

Nothing wrong with this but if your Fairyfolk group are to undertake rock climbing, canoeing etc then they will need some type of order so that they can explain the safety aspects and be sure that everyone understood.

Also whty you against the Military. Lets see if your view changes if we got invaded.

ignore the troll above, op

What an interesting bunch the Woodcraft Folk are

pinkthechaffinch - so why am I a troll??? What have i said that is bad?? Grow up

You grow up

I was half expecting the woodfolk to based on magical / mystical creatures and learnings. If it was the case then I would of joined.

As I've said, i am a pacifist atheist White Poppy wearer. And I think the OP has the right (of course) to send her child to any youth group she likes.

I am objecting to the way she has misrepresented the Scouting Movement, and the fact that, despite lots of people telling her she's got the wrong end of the stick, her complete refusal to let go of her misconceptions.

mrspoc you are so wrong you have no idea. why on earth is my preference for woodfolk meaning i am against routine? it dousnt. i am not looking for a hippy commune for children. stop being so inflamatory.

fairy folk? really? so im not allowed to say i dont agree with the lining up pararde aspects but its ok for you to talk about an organisation that dousnt have this aspect as fairy folk?

my child also attends other things where he expected to behave and does so without the bits i have previouslt mentioned are these fairyfolk groups too? no.

and why am i against the military? none of your bloody business!

pinkthechaffinch - whats ur problem. did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

knittedbreast - i dont want to offend. its just how your posts come across. Nothing wrong with the hippy movement at all. Each to thier own.

I think each scout/cub/beaver group interprets it differently. Ours is distinctly unmilitary and not remotely religious. They have the option of attending 'church parade' at district level but almost no-one does and I've never seen the main guy in charge in uniform ever. My children actually stand still less and certainly have less 'keep quiet' type discipline at cubs and beavers than they do at school.

Funnily enough I grew up on army bases and the scouts/guides were always seen as an odd bunch of civilians!

don't have a problem -just that you sound like a trolling twat who is unnecessarily patronising and inflammatory to the OP.

im crying now.

last time. please.

I do not like some aspects of beavers/scouts. these include parades etc...that is all. as a result I am looking for another group in this case the woodcraft folk.

if the scouts or whatever are not military based, fair enough but there are still aspects to them that i dont like. now i would like my child to experience out doors activities offered by many of these groups with out parading/religious expression etc..now even if that means church based events,id still rather stick to something that wasnt that way inclined. There is a beavers/rainbows down the road from me and i see the children and the things they do, i just want something without those bits.

Well knittedbreast - your son could always join MN - as we are now behaving like children. (Grow up. You Grow up...dear oh dear)

(Puts on Snowy Owl frowny expression and marches naughty ones to the front to make ugly peg dolls)

Come on folks people have a right to be pacifist without being attacked, the irony of which should not be wasted on you.

It is all about pedantics really. Our OP meant REGIMENTED not military.

(marches naughty ones back)

catinthehat2, after reading that link I'm not sure I'd be interested in any group aimed at kids that has such strong political leanings, if I'm honest... but if someone were to post another link proving my misconceptions incorrect then I'd stop banging on about it!

I also don't think there's anything wrong with hippies... and actually a lighthearted kids group based around folklore and fairies is something I think would be actually rather sweet.

The OP is perfectly entitled to be against anything military and doesn't have to give her reasons imvho, but my sticking point is that the Scouting movement is not military. Regimented and ordered sometimes, but not military.

To be fair, if you're in tears from reading some random posts from complete strangers then maybe a more gentle kids club really is in order for you.

we have a woodcraft group near us, but they make each family run a session in rota! That alone had me running to the local Beavers and Cubs

OP - don't be upset. You should probably re-post well away from AIBU, which (apart from the 'military' mention) was a key error!

There are people on here who will have sent their DC to the kind of orgs you mean, but you are better sticking in it Chat or education or something.

knittedbreast I cross posted....

hands OP tissue in small attempt to restore peace

One a separate point though OP, do you have time/know enough people to set up a group that suits all your needs/desires? Our village did such a thing when I was small, there was no 'ethos' to it other than creating a club that all children could be part of....

So do you also object to your child being asked to line up to leave the classroom for lunch? Or to sit on the carpet and listen while the teacher explains the next task? Because I promise you, that's all the lining up in Scouts is about. If you have a room full of 30 active boys and girls you HAVE to impose some sort of order on them - particularly if they are about to do soemthing dangerous.;

I presume you have the same issues that I have with the fact that nominal Christianity is required for full participation in school life?

Scouts are a faith based movement (no longer exclusively Christian). Some units will do rifle shooting/archery however there are no links (in the UK certainly) to the military at all. Beavers will certainly not be military!! The rifle shooting etc comes from Baden-Powell's own experiences as a soldier and the organisational skills etc the army provided.

Op sorry if what i meant came across badly. Please dont be upset I just miss interpreted your posts and my post was meant to be light hart-ted.

Honestly if someone created a kids group just based on fairies, trolls, and other magical, mystical creatures with the sole aim of fun then i will be the first person inline to volunteer.

Woodcraft folk are very political and started by the socialist party
I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole.

the crying was sarcasm but il take the tissues anyway.

school is school. its a state school, the uk is originally a christian countr. my sons school isnt christian but of course they all have a based ethos. yes it pisses me off when he comes home telling my jesus is the father of god and that mary is jesus`s wife (he gets things a bit confused sometimes). but i accept that as i have to send him to a school, and i cant and wont pay for private that i have to accept they will teach him something. as i am choosing a group for him to attend im picking one without these points. surely thats not too difficult to understand.

why does mr spoc need to keep reverting this group back to anyhting hippy based.

OP - genuine question - why does it piss you off when your son talks about Jesus and God?