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not to take a newborn to my in-laws for Christmas?

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Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 23/05/2011 06:24

Do I win a prize for First Christmas-themed AIBU of the year? Perhaps a half-unwrapped sticky candy cane, with lint stuck to it?

We recently announced my pregnancy with #2, who is due at the end of November. Some few conversations later it became clear that they were still expecting us for Christmas, I said we wouldn't make it, they got cross because It's Our Turn. I'm pretty sure I'm right, but then again I also don't want to go, so maybe I need an outside view.

Background:
We're in Australia. They live in a neighbouring state, which is about 1.5 hours away by plane, in the same town as various siblings, grandparents, nieces and nephews. My youngest SIL still lives at home, and my GMIL lives downstairs in a self-contained unit. My mother and brother live in the same town as we do, but that's the extent of my family.

Until a few years ago, they moved around the country a lot and we rarely, if ever, saw them for Christmas itself, usually just catching up for Big Events like my MIL's 50th, weddings, etc. Even 3 years ago, when my daughter (first grandchild) was born, they were content to have their big Christmas at home while we had our little one at our place, and they flew over after Christmas for a visit. Worked well. The next year, when we had a 1-year-old, we went to theirs, as did my other SIL, her husband and their infant.

This is relevant: it is Not Done to stay elsewhere except the family home on visits. It is a 3BD plus the self-contained bit. To fit us all in, the GMIL moved into the younger SIL's room, younger SIL took the sofabed in the lounge, elder SIL + family took the downstairs unit, we three squished into the guest room, which just fits a double bed and a travel cot, obviously the parents had their own room. It was a squish, and because the guest room was just off the main dining area, DD had trouble sleeping, but it was a holiday, so fine.

This time around, SIL will have a 2.5 year old and a 9 month old. We will have a 3 year old and a four week old, assuming I don't go late, but I didn't last time.

Here are their arguments:

  1. It is our turn.
  2. Newborns are portable, and easy to travel with
  3. There will be lots of hands to help
  4. GMIL is too frail to fly to ours/can't fit in our place along with the in-laws, so wouldn't be able to see newborn if we don't come

Here are my arguments:

  1. I will have a FOUR WEEK OLD
  2. And probably stitches, and lochia, and leaky boobs
  3. At 4 weeks old, DD screamed for 2-3 hours every night before sleep, which rarely happened until midnight, slept in 2 hour bursts and only if in bed with me, cluster fed and vomited a lot. We coped by pacing the house all evening, then sleeping when she did, taking things very easy, and both being pretty much completely hands-on all the time. This is utterly incompatible with staying in a crowded house full of people, in a bed too small for co-sleeping, in a room where a 3 year old is also trying to sleep.
  4. The amount of 'helping hands' will be drastically reduced by the fact that the in-laws will be making elaborate meals for large crowds, worrying about where the formal china was put away, arranging the larger children for formal photographs, etc. Christmas is a Big Fucking Deal at their place. 4a) And there will be a newly mobile baby there as well as two bigger toddlers. And the place is not babyproofed, at all.
  5. Germy planes and newborns?
  6. (Not vocalised) I haven't had a nice little family Christmas with my own mum and brother, whom I love dearly, since DD was born. Four weeks out from giving birth, I think I deserve one.

Sorry about the novel. It's the result of many hours muttering arguments to myself when I should be sleeping.

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lipslave · 23/05/2011 10:56

Tortoise, I am due around the same time as you. Both my parents/in-laws live within a 40 minute drive, and I have no intention of moving further than my own sofa at Christmas Grin. People will be invited to pop in to see us. But on the clear understanding that catering will be of the sherry and mince pie variety, rather than three course meal variety.

I think the compromise you propose sounds perfectly fair, provided you're happy with MIL being around in pre/post partum period. Tbh i personally would not be putting a date on your visit to them until closer to the time. You will probably be feeling much much better at 10 weeks, but there are all sorts of reasons why it might not be feasible. You don't want to be in the position where you are really not able/well enough to go, but can't face disappointing them again.

Hope you get everything sorted, and have a wonderful Christmas with your new baby.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 23/05/2011 11:52

You lot are the nicest nest of vipers I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.

DH is v happy with the 'health warning re pre-vax'ed babies and planes' excuse if we need a go to. I'm fine with "No".

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BikeRunSki · 23/05/2011 12:20

I think having 2 DC will be quite the reason to start your own family Christmases. We staty home, go for a walk round our favorite lake, eat stollen and make tea in the car park and have mexican food when we get home. That was with 1 DC. After last Christmas's experience, we won't be travelling again. Anyone can come and see us, if they bring food and stay in hotel up the road. There'll be 4 of us (fingers crossed) by this CHristmas.

COCKadoodledooo · 23/05/2011 12:23

We did it with an 8 week old. In laws are, on a good day, 5 hours from us. The journey home took 7.

I probably wouldn't have done it voluntarily. Thing was we'd been invited to a family New Year's Eve shindig about 40 minutes away from them. Was very important I was there (beloved Auntie had died a couple of weeks before), I needed to be with my cousin, to support her (we're v close). Seemed churlish if we were doing that not to see them, so we went up a day early.

Had it been my folks we were staying with then it would have been different - my mum helps out to help, not to interfere for one Wink

What does dh think? Does he get on with his parents?

They're right btw that newborns are more portable. The journey with a new crawler who doesn't want to stay put is harder, and the new walker who won't be restrained harder still. But it's the other stuff that goes with - how will the birth/recovery be? Will feeding be easy to establish? That sort of guff.

I would be non-commital at this stage. Probably wouldn't give an out and out no, but a "We'll see".

COCKadoodledooo · 23/05/2011 12:25

Just realised, meant to say ours wasn't the actual Christmas Day bit (though we had a Christmas dinner with them the day we went), but a few days after.

Actual Christmas Day was just the 4 of us, which was lovely.

happygomucky · 23/05/2011 12:37

If you don't want to go (and I certainly wouldn't want to in your situation!) just say NO! No explanation needed to anyone with a brain! Don't explain how tricky it will be etc etc, they will just 'fix' every problem you mention.

If they insist on a reason, you could say you just don't want to go so soon after having the baby, you'd rather chill out at home for the early months and have a good time.

Arrange to go visit at a set date later in the year, maybe Easter?

Alternatively, my cousin has a cat which is always ill when he is expected to be somewhere. Would you like to borrow the cat? Hmm

lizziemun · 23/05/2011 13:36

YANBU.

We stayed one night at in-laws when it was dd1 first christmas, she was 11 months.

We (me, dh and dd1) were given the unheated 'spare room' (converted Garage) , while SIL girls where given the upstairs spare room and single BIL given the spare double room.

DD1 wouldn't settle and I was up with her from 3am and we were home by 9.30am the next morning. My DH does not get up before 10/11am if he not working and he has always said we will not stay again.

Now In-laws have christmas day with SIL family and Boxing they come to us, as it easier for them to come to us then us take 3 kids to them.

How about you start a 'new' rota.

This year - at home

Next year - with you family

The following year - DH family.

Journey · 23/05/2011 13:49

The op certainly likes to go into a lot of depth to explain her point of view! I could be wrong but it suggests to me she's overly stressing about this. Perhaps chill a bit.

You'll have a 4 week old baby. You don't want to go. That's the decision made.

microserf · 23/05/2011 14:01

YANBU, i had exactly the same situation in 2010 and stayed home and had lovely quiet family xmas. i ended up with a c section and was definitely NOT in any position to travel. even stairs were agony, couldn't walk very far at all and i was on anti coagulants for quite a while afterwards since i am apparently such an ancient second time mum. Grin

i wouldn't plan anything for xmas. and your family are BU expecting you to. it is simply not a very practical plan.

your compromise is a good one. stick to it!

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 23/05/2011 14:06

No question about it, Journey. Pregnancy hormones always make me overly anxious about trivial things.

Feel much better now, though. If anyone was going to tell me that i'm unreasonable, it's you lot.

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mrsjohnsimm · 23/05/2011 16:01

Pretty much the one piece of advice my mother gave me about married/family life was NOT, under any circumstances, to get sucked into anything approaching "turns" for Christmas. I think she spoke from bitter personal experience (although IIRC we generally spent Christmas at home, so I guess she won her own battles eventually).

pingu2209 · 23/05/2011 16:09

YANBU to have your own point of view. However, what does your dh want to do?

KatieWatie · 23/05/2011 16:32

YANBU - this is why Xmas should be banned.
Why on Earth would they even want people to be there at Xmas under duress, who have made it clear they don't want to (or can't, without a load of hassle) be there.

I've yet to have this argument (DC1 due October) with both my own parents and my in-laws. There's no flight involved, just a 5 hour car journey, but I still won't be doing it because the whole rigmarole of trying to cope in my mum-in-laws tiny 1-bed flat with a new baby and a dog is more than I can bear to think about. In-laws won't come to us either (they don't 'do' motorways Hmm) so they'll just have to suck it up.

Your situation is a million times worse, I can't believe you're even contemplating it. Don't do it!

redexpat · 23/05/2011 17:38

Perhaps you could offer to go at Easter instead to soften the blow? If DPs family live in the same town then that allows for meeting during the day, and MILs house wouldn't be so crowded.

ps I think I've already seen an xmas thread although I can't remember what it was about or called!

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