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to want to find another home for my cats

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drivenmadbycats · 21/05/2011 17:53

I know people are going to read the title and be angry, but please hear me out as to be honest, I'm at my wit's end here. I have had to change my usual nickname because of some finer details, so I apologise for that.

I have two daughters with less than two years between them as DD2 was premature. To be honest, it was touch and go for a while. I applied for part time hours in my teaching job but was turned down and, given that we'd nearly lost our baby, were keen to have some stability for both girls with me at home full time "and anyway, I can always go back to teaching" said I so brightly at the time. That's proved impossible since I don't have recent experience, and I can't do day to day supply because of childcare issues and I don't drive. We don't have very much money, therefore.

This is relevant to the cats situation because we also have two cats who we got because we are honestly loving people who wanted to give a loving and caring home to animals. Unfortunately, since the girls arrived, Cat1 has made it clear he is terrified of them. He just about tolerated DD1 but now that a pre schooler and a toddler are crashing around, he spends the majority of his time bolting for the cat flap. The girls don't torment him but (when they were babies/young toddlers) they would often shriek in joy when they saw him and I think he associates them with noise (understandably.) I love Cat1 very much, he is a loving and gentle cat with adults but it petrified of children. I have tried a diffuser for stress from the vet's but it hasn't made a difference. We live in a three storey house and he has numerous 'quiet' places such as the airing cupboard, our bedroom - to go to, but he just spends his days outside and when he is in, he creeps around looking so scared.

Cat2 is a far bigger problem. The worst thing about him is that he does his business repeatedly in the house and at the moment, has targeted the girls' bedroom as his litter tray. Like cat1 he has a litter tray and the cat flap is available but he doesn't seem to want to use it. The carpets upstairs are ruined because of this cat and the worse one is the girls' carpet. I've had them professionally cleaned but the smell was ingrained and he just promptly started to use it again. I'm so paranoid that the girls clothes and hair smells. My house smells, I notice as soon as we walk in a lingering scent of cat wee and poo, and it makes me feel dirty and so, so worried that the girls will get ill. My youngest has trodden in it before now. As well as this horrible habit, he also jumps up onto the table and takes food from our plates so if (for example) I take a glass or plate through to the kitchen, I can come back to see him tucking in. That's a minor consideration and can generally be avoided by putting him out but it does make meal times a bit more stressful.

I really would welcome advice, but to be frank we don't have the money for expensive behavioural therapies, we're barely making ends meet as it is and I have to sell things on ebay every week just to keep us afloat. Please don't tell me what a selfish, irresponsible person I am, as I'm honestly not like that at all. I've been putting up with this for years because I can't bear the thought of rehoming them but faced with a £700 bill for a replacement carpet I'm afraid I'm reaching my limit. Please, help us.

OP posts:
Northernlurker · 21/05/2011 23:52

Oh yes - cleaning out a used litter tray is a huge, time consuming task. Really takes it out of me. Hmm

simpson · 21/05/2011 23:54

Can you not lock your DC bedroom door??

I know you have said it does not close properly but it does not cost much to get a simple eye/lock thingie on the outside......

When your DC are in bed, shut the cats downstairs at night....

They definately need 2 litter trays, even if the one you have is not used maybe the cat peeing in your daughters room thinks it belongs to the other cat iyswim..

Also are they spayed???

I had a bit of a nightmare with one of my nervous cats weeing/pooing but it was because I only had one litter tray...

I think personally you need to give it a go with trying to stop the cat getting into your daughters room to wee/poo and if that does not help, then you know you have tried everything iyswim.

Casmama · 22/05/2011 00:02

The answer is clear - you need to get rid of the fucking cats! You are not in a position to be able/willing to fix this problem and with two young children you need to put them first. Do your best rehoming them and then LET IT GO. You are not a bad person but currently no ones needs are being met and you procrastinating is just continuing the misery for all involved (especially the cats).

ilovesooty · 22/05/2011 01:56

Not sure why you are asking our opinion

Because she's looking for validation having failed to get it before.

You've obviously made your mind up: I agree with those who suggest that since that's the case you might as well get on with getting rid of them and not prolong their misery any further.

piprabbit · 22/05/2011 02:20

OP has a permanent problem - her DCs bedroom is contaminated with cat wee and poo.

People have suggested a temporary solution - to encourage the cat to wee and poo in a litter tray in the bedroom instead of the carpet. As soon as cat is using the tray regularly it can be moved out of the bedroom and the OPs permanent problem is solved.

Not sure why so much abuse is being hurled at the people making this suggestion. After all, wee and poo in an easily cleanable tray has got to be preferable to wee and poo on the carpet/moses basket etc. etc.

I see the OP has already spent £700 she can ill-afford on new carpet. With a potential 5-6 month wait to rehome the cats, it sounds like she may have thrown good money after bad.

rainbowinthesky · 22/05/2011 08:48

Very unfair comments to northerlurker on this thread.

Pictish · 22/05/2011 08:55

Just wanted to say OP that I faced this situation exactly when we had ds1.
Cat 1 started to piss and shit all over the place.
Cat 2 was terrified of baby (then toddler) and spent her entire life under our bed.

We tried every solution known to man over two years, but ended up rehoming.

southmum · 22/05/2011 09:14

OP I suspect you are embellishing stuff here to make it sound worse (ie the cat shitting in the moses basket - how can a 1 y/o still fit in one of those safely???)

And basic doors cost about £25 from Wicks

IMO I think you could do more to improve things but you have obviously made your mind up and are looking for cuddly cooing sympathetic posts to ease the guilt.

I sympathise to a degree, but personally I couldnt rehome unless I have tried absolutely everything and I just dont think you have.

Actually 'rehome' is a bit generous, lets face it unless you give them to a no kill shelter which are already stretched they will probably be killed within a few weeks.

boohoohoo · 22/05/2011 09:22

Er surely a cat pooing/weeing in a litter tray which can be cleaned very regularly and moved over a small amount of time to be away from your dds room has got to be much better than letting your cat poo and wee all around the room? Why so many negative comments to nothernlurker?

southmum · 22/05/2011 09:29

boohoohoo - some people just cant be arsed to try something that might not be ideal. Far easier to get rid Angry

shineoncrazydiam0nd · 22/05/2011 09:38

Just read the OP and I'm sure you've had the obligatory virtual kicking!

Can only speak for myself, but i would get rid of these cats. Wouldn't be able to cope with my child's room being used as a toilet im afraid.

drivenmadbycats · 22/05/2011 09:40

I was asking opinions because if you look at the title it says:

"Am I being unreasonable to want to find another home for my cats"

Fairly clear. Oh and hello, ilovesooty - glad to see you are spreading your snide little one liners across the net at large! I didn't know you were a parent, but then I suggest you imagine living with the possibility that your son or daughter could be rushed to hospital and die due to a weaked immune system then place a tray with cat feces in it where she sleeps. Live with that and then come back and tell me again I am BU.

Before I move on from this thread can I just please make the following observations:

  1. This situation has been ongoing for some time - my 1 y-old does not use the Moses basket; I am talking about a good six/eight months ago.
  1. Cat2 does not use the litter tray at all, he uses bedroom carpets. Why everyone is so sure placing a litter tray in the girls' room will be a miraculous cure I do not know. There is a tray in the house he does not use.
  1. Cat1 does not use the litter tray - hence the litter tray is unused, full stop, they don't "share" it.

Thanks for those who have tried to help, whether or not you agreed I am UR or not, and I include those who made suggestions that weren't possible or practical as I do appreciate the thoughts.

OP posts:
Andrewofgg · 22/05/2011 09:44

Stop being sentimental and have them put down. Tomorrow. I would say today but it is Sunday.

drivenmadbycats · 22/05/2011 09:45

Oh, and southmum, I'm going to rehome them myself - I don't want to involve shelters as I don't want them put to sleep. Ok? Someone on the other forum I alluded to earlier had a similar problem with her cat and rehomed him as an outdoor cat on a farm. I'll try that solution for cat2. Cat1 should be easier. I notice no one has made any suggestions for helping him! It's all about cat2 when ironically he's the one I just can't cope with - it's not an exaggeration to say it could seriously impact on both girls' health but particularly that of DD2. She was in hospital (obviously a clean and sterile environment) for months and she is still prone to infection and she has been re-admitted twice since, once because of a bowel infection and once because of persistent vomiting.

Cat1 on the other hand I will keep with me until I find him another home. It could be that in the interim he settles; I hope so. Otherwise he will find a home without young children.

OP posts:
Pictish · 22/05/2011 09:49

Yeah - one of our cats went to my friend's sister, the other to another friend.
No shelter involved.

ImeldaM · 22/05/2011 10:07

Coming to this thread late, I have a pooing/peeing everywhere cat too & can totally sympathise.

Is it possible to shut cats in one room at night with their 2 litter trays? sometimes reducing a stressed cats environment can be really helpful. My cats were always allowed run of house but since shutting in kitchen/utility area & allowing into living room in evening for pet etc has really relaxed our stressed cat & any poo/wee/sick is kept to one area.

YANBU thinking of rehoming, particularly 1 of the cats, cats often really dislike being with other cat. I started with one lovely cat, got a 2nd to 'keep her company', she hated cat2. Cat2 the difficult one. After about 14yrs of tolerating each other, Cat1 pts Sad last year due to ill health, Cat2 now much more settled.

I have Vicky Halls books, they are really good & she has excellent advice, know you said you are short of cash but sometimes on Amazon you can 'look inside' books & might get cheap 2nd hand
'Cat Confidential' best one IMO, if only getting one, some of advice repeated in other books

She's also got a website with lots of tips

midori1999 · 22/05/2011 11:00

OP, the fact is that these cats may well end up put to sleep. What if the new home doesn't keep them? At least a decent no kill shelter will be available to take the cats back at any time in their lives. Even if your own cats aren't put to sleep, two others, who won't find a new home because you're own cats have taken up that home, will be put to sleep.

It's blatantly obvious you don't really give a shit about these cats, so why pretend to? There are numerous solutions, as people have said. For example, allowing the cats access to the cat flap and then restricting them to the kitchen/another room with outside access. Presumably some of your doors shut?

However, the problem is that you can no longer be bothered to be responsible for animals you took responsibility for and so are 'getting rid'.

Personally, I think if there were no shelters and anyone who didn't want to keep their pet had to take them to the vet to be put to sleep themselves, maybe people would think a bit more about it before takng on a cat or dog.

Incidentally, if you had gone down a responsible source in getting your cats (eg. decent pedigree breeder or shelter) then there would be no problem as they would have undertaken lifelong responsibility for that animal and would take these cats back from you.

drivenmadbycats · 22/05/2011 11:26

We have tried shutting the door to the kitchen but cat2 scratched away the lino and made such an awful noise no one got any peace at all. Also, the cat flap is locked at night as it isn't safe to let them out.

We got them from the RSPCA. They won't help.

If I really don't give a shit about these cats, why have I tried for two and a half years with this horrible situation?

I expected to be responsible for two cats, and for providing them with food, water and shelter. I expected to be responsible for their wellbeing, with regular visits and check ups to the vets and ensuring their home was as comfortable as possible. At no point did I think having the cats meant my home would be systematically destroyed, my daughter's health at risk and my life ruined.

I'm sure this will prompt another torrent of abuse. I alluded earlier that I felt I had failed and clearly I have, I haven't tried hard enough with the cats but if I keep trying my daughter will end up ill and it feels like it's all my fault for getting the cats and I honestly only wanted cats to save them being in a rescue centre and ultimately put to sleep. I hate myself and I think I now know what the problem is, it's me. I fuck up, time and time again, I can't even provide a safe home for my daughter in my body or outside of it, I can't make the cats happy and they'll die and DD2 is probably going to die as well if not because of the cats then something else and it's all me, I wish I was a different person who had made different decisions and taken different routes in life but I can't just remove myself from my body. I wish I could shae with you what I'm really thinking but I'm scared of the sneers and jeers if Ido. Please, no matter how much you hate me don't post on this thread again, I hated myself when i started it and I hate myself even more now because I am a hateful person but there's just a squeak in me that says I'm honestly just trying to do my best but it just makes everything wors.e Please just leave me alone

OP posts:
coccyx · 22/05/2011 12:03

you have let the cats down, stop the excuses, plenty of people manage children and animals. But if they have a problem (which is mostly down to you rather than them) then these owners are prepared to work at it.
All you have done is made excuses!!!!

SingleFosterMum · 22/05/2011 12:21

Drivenmad you have done far more than alot of people would.
Those cats would have been long gone if it was me.

No way would I have cat pee and poo in my ds's bedroom, ever.
You need to get rid quick and don't feel bad about it.
LIke I said, I did when I brought my prem baby home and am alot happier.
There is enough stress with having a seriously ill, prem baby and clearly most people luckily don't have to go through that so don't understand.

If there is any criticism it's that you've kept them in your house for too long.

PinkOlives · 22/05/2011 12:22

you sound like you are in a bad way and none of these things are your fault. Re-home your cats and spend all your time focussing on your children and i hope your DDs health improves. Having a less stressed out mum will be much better for the kids.

OP has mentioned that she will try and rehome the cats appropriately.
None of the things you have mentioned above are yur fault so dont feel guilty.

ImeldaM · 22/05/2011 12:26

I'm not sure if those who are harrassing the OP have actually been in her position, that is, with a cat who is soiling inappropriately. It is very stressful and can seem like there's no answer, especially with young DC's. I had my most 'difficult' period with my cat when I was single & had no children, it was still very difficult.

OP, don't let the nastiness get to you, I really recommend you have a look at Vicky Halls website, at times in her book she does actually say that it does cats no good to be in a situation where they are so stressed they are soiling inappropriately and sometimes re-homing is the only solution.

Also re-homing doesn't always mean that 'other cats are going to die'. One of my friends, who has a cat already took in 2 cats from a work colleague as she could no longer keep them, she was not planning on getting more cats, so the 2 re-homed took nobodys 'place'.

Pictish · 22/05/2011 12:32

Coccyx - sorry like, but some of us have more going on in our lives than cats.
YOU can revolve arpound them if you like though. YOU can have a tray of shite in YOUR kids' bedrooms all you want.

Personally it's not for me!

southmum · 22/05/2011 12:57

"1. This situation has been ongoing for some time - my 1 y-old does not use the Moses basket; I am talking about a good six/eight months ago."

My mistake then, its just you went on about the basket as if it still happens and is still an issue

southmum · 22/05/2011 13:08

Imelda - yes I have and I worked at it to solve the situation, I had one cat that would shit on my bed (and sometimes in my handbag) and one that would throw up every time he ate because of stress.

Which is why, even after Ops recent post, I still find it hard to have much sympathy, still think OP has exaggerated a hell of a lot (because of banging on about the moses basket as if the cat still does it) and still maintain that more could be done, but like many on this thread, when the going gets tough, the tough cant be bothered, easier to get rid of them and pretend they have done all they can.

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