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to not want people packing my bags at the supermarket checkout to raise funds for their kid's football/ice hockey/ highland dance trip to Croatia?

268 replies

bleedingstill · 20/05/2011 00:34

My kids have hobbies. I pay for them.
Bag packing at supermarkets is a bit annoying, no?
On several counts.

I feel better now

OP posts:
TheFlyingOnion · 21/05/2011 09:34

you miserable gimmer.

I bag pack for Riding for the Disabled. We collect so that we can continue to give disabled children and adults riding as physiotherapy and for some its the only chance they have to move around independently of a wheelchair or aid. When you have seen a child go from not being able to sit up to running around, simply because of the therapy he has received at our centre, you would give your last tuppence.

Not only are you BU, you are being spoiled, uncharitable and thoughtless. Your OP is selfish and arrogant.

Congratulations. Your life is wonderful. Others aren't so lucky. How dare you.

Sirzy · 21/05/2011 09:39

personally I find it much harder to say no to my neighbours children knocking asking for a contribution to there latest fundraising effort than I do bag packers! I don't say no (to giving a few pence) as its nice to see them making an effort

Animation · 21/05/2011 09:39

No, Pancakeflipper I can't - I would far far rather give them a few pennies then crush that look of hope and expectancy in their lovely faces.

GentleOtter · 21/05/2011 09:42

The lovely lady who packed my shopping had been collecting for the local Street Pastors.

Now, whether or not you agree with their cause, she had given up her time to volunteer, get to the supermarket and stand for hours being nice to people and her only hope was that people would throw some change into the collecting bucket.

Many of the smaller charities depend on volunteers like this lady and I respect those who donate of their time to collect or further their cause.

They are not asking for much yet are expending a lot of effort.

5Foot5 · 21/05/2011 09:45

manicinsomniac "Somebody said about not wanting to pay for the private school's trip to the caribbean - ours actually did do a trip to the caribbean (cricket tour) and did a massive amount of fundraising. Not to pay for the majority of kids to go but to buy entire sets of new cricket equipment to donate to the very poor Barbadian teams they were playing and to cover the cost for two children who are on full bursaries but really promising players and would have been devestated and isolated being left behind (the team weren't made aware of this, it would have embarrased the boys concerned).
Is that really so inappropriate?"

I was the person who posted about the local private school doing a bag pack to go on a cricket tour to the Caribbean. I don't know if this was the same school (is this a popular sporting destination for the independent sector?) but if it was then this puts it in a different light.

At the bag pack I saw it just simply said it was fund raising for the trip. There was no information on display about the money being used for charitable purposes. If this was the intention then I think the fund raisers did themselves a disservice by not advertising this fact more clearly since I am sure I am not the only person who would have viewed it differently if that was the case.

As I have already said I don't mind contributing when it is a worth while cause and I have given to scouts and similar. In fact DD took part in a bag pack as part of her confirmation activities when they were raising money for a local charty for young homeless people.

Anyway, manicinsomniac, if your school's name beings with K and it is in M then suggest that next time they pack bags at S they make it a bit more clear what the money is actually for!!!

Pancakeflipper · 21/05/2011 09:51

Ah Animation... You moan about it and want to shriek "get off my spuds" but you just cannot stop that charitable heart beating through....

I have no problems in chucking in the cash and letting a load of 9 yr olds squash my crisps if it's a cause I'd like to help with my small change or the packers are super polite and sweet. Any thing 'precious' in my shopping I would take and deal with.

But for those whom don't want it doing - say so. I don't get the problem.

heliumballoons · 21/05/2011 09:52

I can't stand people packing my shopping - they don't do it right. Grin

Last time there were scouts doing this I said I'd give 50p if they packed it and £1 if they let me do it myself. Grin

Animation · 21/05/2011 09:58

Yes Pancake - you've got me! I'm a sucker for big dog eyes. Smile

Still - I'm not happy about being hijacked at the till.

manicinsomniac · 21/05/2011 10:04

5foot5 - no, not the same school. Maybe it is a popular destination!
I don't think this lot did bagpacking actually - there was a charity ball, a car wash, a bring and buy and a charity cricket match I think.

JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 12:16

bleedingstill, speaking for myself it was the 'my kids have hobbies. I pay for them' line that got up my nose.

And I still think private school kids can knack off if they want any of my money for anything, so there!

manicinsomniac · 21/05/2011 12:23

^^
so children raising money for charity should not be encouraged if those children happen to attend private school?
what a strange viewpoint.

If anything I think children from wealthy backgrounds (regardless of whether they are private or state educated) should be more aware of those less fortunate and be encouraged to raise money more often.

JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 12:42

they can raise money if they want, but they're not having any of mine!

Sirzy · 21/05/2011 12:48

Hmm how does that work? You going to ask them all where they are educated? When we do bag packs our members are a mix of state and privately educated.

Or are they "allowed" to fundraise outside of school just not with school?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/05/2011 12:48

To be honest, it's some of the atittudes here that really get my back up. Flying Onion, seeker and others make me think that it's not really worth it because they have some self-righteous belief that other people should, as a matter of course, support scout or similar activities 'or not complain when there are no boats to sail in or poorer children can't join'. Hmm

Joan... your last post about private school kids - what about the bursary kids? How are they any different from other children whose parents can't afford activities? Hmm

It's about priorities; life-saving charities are going to take priority with me, they always will. Ditto for the Poppy Appeal. Most of us have kids and many of us have to priorise our spending, particularly now. Parents are expected to make sacrifices - mortgage, utilities, council tax, other bills, eating, clothing - hobbies and activities, alcohol, tobacco, Sky... parents decide once the essentials are paid - their kids, their choice.

Perhaps kids can't go on every trip they want to and perhaps they can't take part in multiple activities just because their peers do. They're still luckier than a heck of a lot of other kids and the self-entitled, bucket-rattling, lecturing posters are probably a big part of the reason why supermarkets are restricting them.

The arrogance of some who expect, as a matter of course, that others should contribute to their fundraising, or be referred to as mean, curmudgeonly or whatever, are doing their cause no favours at all. Hmm

Waitrose customers have the opportunity to contribute to local charities also, they use green counters, given at the checkout, customers choose which of three schemes to donate their counter to. No bag packers, no pressure and no snarky comments.

JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 12:53

I was being mildy tongue in cheek, to be honest, but we all have ranks of what charities we'd priotise don't we? So my most likely ones would be red cross, cancer, NSPCC, etc, and lowest on my list would be RSPCA, PDSA etc.

If some be-blazered kids were collecting for Marie Curie, I'd donate. If they were collecting for a cricket trip, I wouldn't.

And I would still say it's a bit of a cheek to ask the general public should be asked to help them support their chosen charities!

megapixels · 21/05/2011 13:04

Great post LyingWitch. Spot on.

ZZZenAgain · 21/05/2011 13:05

I agree

From something that really might have mildly annoyed me but I would have coped with it, I feel it has become something I intensely dislike after reading some of the responses on here

manicinsomniac · 21/05/2011 13:08

ah ok, fair enough joan, I thought you were being deadly serious!

JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 13:12

I have to say that a bursary kid who rejects the state system to hang out with rich kids and the problems he may face in keeping up with them in terms of school trips is never going to give me that many sleepless nights, though.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/05/2011 13:16

I don't really thnk a bursary kid makes that decision, Joan. Parents decide the schools, no?

I'm only going to support the charities from now on. Well done, spouting posters... played a blinder. Hmm

bubblecoral · 21/05/2011 13:19

TheFlyingOnion The charity I work for is very simelar to riding for the disabled in that it provides therapy and enjoyment to disabled children and adults who would otherwise be confined to a wheelchair for the vast majority of the time that they are awake. It is not life giving, but it is life changing, without a doubt.

I don't agree with being actively asked by children for money in return for a service I don't want. That does not make me mean, it makes me someone who has to choose what to spend money on very carefully who doesn't like being made to feel mean by a child that has been encouraged by adults to ask if I want my bags packed.

Riding for the disabled is a registered charity, you could stand at the entrance with collecting tins without directly asking people. But no, charities find that they make more money if they directly ask.

Is it just me that thinks more moeny is made by bag packing that by simple collecting because people who would not otherwise choose to give money are doing so? Maybe because they feel bad saying no?

soverylucky · 21/05/2011 13:24

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JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 13:24

Sure, lying. Just won't ever be a priority for me, that's all!

Last year when it was very snowy and icy just before Christmas, two youngish teens knocked on my door and asked if I wanted my drive cleared. I think they were just out earning a bit of money for themselves, really - certainly not a charity.

I guess I would have felt a bit awkward saying no, so I didn't, and they didn't do that good a job tbh - but my overwhelming feeling was how nice it was that they'd decided they could do with some cash and gone out to try to get some in an honest way. Would you all have been annoyed by that?

I am more likely to walk past bucket-jangling adults than 12 year olds who want/need money and are prepared to make a bit of a (possibly ham-fisted) effort to get it!

bubblecoral · 21/05/2011 13:28

I am more likely to walk past bucket-jangling adults than 12 year olds who want/need money and are prepared to make a bit of a (possibly ham-fisted) effort to get it!

Exactly! That's what makes it close to emotional blackmail! The fact that you personally don't mind that is irrelevant. Some of us do mind that.

If the cause was worthy enough, you would probably give to collectors standing by the entrance too, especially if they were 12 years old and were hopefull of giving out stickers.

JoanofArgos · 21/05/2011 13:31

Possibly, yes! They can't help being 12....