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To want to scream that Motability cars are NOT FREE!!!!!

254 replies

Mamaz0n · 16/05/2011 19:48

Ihave just seen a programme on the BBC where they have yet again claimed someone recieved a "free car"

No they fucking didnt!

They have been given a lease hire vehicle under the motability scheme. It is not their car, they DO PAY for it and it is only for a certain period of time.

It pisses me off that people assume that being disabled is a sweet life with loads of freebies.
It isn't. far from it.

you would expect the BBC at least to get it right.

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lou33 · 18/05/2011 23:23

ds2 cant even use his wheelchair in our bungalow, as the doors and turns are too narrow, so he has to crawl about

i have been waiting years for someone to come out to discuss adapting it, and finally last month they did, but said it is impossible to adapt adequately, so now we have to find somewhere else to live

Pixel · 19/05/2011 00:18

Lou, that is one reason I'm hoping ds's appeal for high rate mobility will be successful. We have an old car that we can't afford to replace and although we've tried to maintain it as best we can we are now getting to the stage where it won't be worth spending any more money on it. I dread breaking down on a busy road with ds in the car because I can't decide whether I would be better off leaving ds securely strapped in the car which is a very vulnerable position to be in and not recommended on hard shoulders etc, or getting him out and hoping I can hang on to him and the breakdown people aren't too long coming.
I'm not sure motability will be the way to go as it does sound quite expensive to get started, but at least the extra money will enable us to save up for a better car or purchase one on HP perhaps.

ReindeerBollocks · 19/05/2011 00:37

Wow - just wow.

I have huge respect for Mama,TFMDV, Blu, SixMonkeys and all the other amazing women who have explained the point so well.

I am astounded by the lack of compassion by some members. It seems like every time there is a disability thread, whether it be toilets/cars/parking spaces or benefits, there appears a breed of people who resent the help that people with disabilities need to live a life comparable to NT people. I don't know why but it still shocks and angers me that people would begrudge others with needs.

YAsoNBU OP. But you know that - and so do all the sensible people.

tribpot · 19/05/2011 06:10

Pixel, motability cars come with RAC cover, and they will prioritise you particularly if you were to find yourself in the vulnerable position you describe. They'll also make sure any meds you need get sorted out (not exactly sure how, I just know they always ask when we've called if anyone needs meds urgently).

MintyMoo · 19/05/2011 10:01

I am astounded by the lack of compassion by some members. It seems like every time there is a disability thread, whether it be toilets/cars/parking spaces or benefits, there appears a breed of people who resent the help that people with disabilities need to live a life comparable to NT people. I don't know why but it still shocks and angers me that people would begrudge others with needs

I've found this too. It exists everywhere, the only place I didn't see it was at a primary school I went to with a child with very obvious SN, she later left to go to a Special School. But all the children adored her and helped her out (we were about 6, yr 2) and no-one resented her for having extra help etc.

When I was at work though so many people had a problem with me being allowed to work less hours due to my illness, or having time off, being given a seat at meetings when others had to stand etc.

I had to leave early once to have my internal organs checked for damage (some anomalies in my blood suggested some of my organs may have been deteriorating) at the Hospital and as a result was excluded from a birthday party for a colleague on the basis that I was off for a nice half day. Yeah, who wouldn't want to have their organs checked for potential damage instead of going for a birthday celebration!!?? (nothing was wrong in the end fortunately).

But how people could be jealous of that time off I don't know... I was told 'it was all right for some' when off sick. I was in bed, barely able to walk. No it bloody well was not 'all right' - I would have prefered to have been at work with everyone else, rather than stuck at home, no energy, in awful pain, having to crawl to the toilet and unable to make food for myself.

I've known family friends refuse to park in a disabled badge place for my elderly father who was Osteoarthritis saying that disabled parking spaces are for 'people who really need it' - he can barely walk, he has a BB and is in his 70s. He wouldn't have been given it if he didn't need it. The person deliberately parked as far away from the door to prove his point. My parents were paying him that day as he was helping them move some things in his van as well.

I just don't understand the mentality.

Mamaz0n · 19/05/2011 10:27

DS is autistic, has ADHD and global developmental delay.
We get lower rate mobility so do not qualify for a nice shiney free car Hmm

Someone i know asked me recently why we didn't get a "free car" for him. I explained that it was because although he needs alot of extra supervision when out, he can physically walk and so he doesn't qualify for the car.

person said "oh i bet your a bit gutted. some of those cars are quite nice"

Obviously i replied with "no. im not at all gutted that my child has the ability to walk actually. I think you will find that pretty much everyone who does qualify for a free car would very happily swap it for good health"

Some peope just don't get it. Sadly i don't think it matters how many of these threads we have, i doubt some people want to be removed from the shadow of ignorance from where they reside.

I find it deeply worrying that the media seem to be doing a lot of disabled bashing at the moment. they seem to want to turn people against the disabled, to make them see them as a drain on public resources so as to help justify the massive cuts services for the disabled are facing.

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stickytoffeepud · 19/05/2011 10:35

I don't know why but it still shocks and angers me that people would begrudge others with needs

i think because there are so many claiming who obviously dont really have special needs, just know how to work the system

Mamaz0n · 19/05/2011 10:42

I think that there are statistics somewhere that show that DLA is the "benefit" with the lowest fraud rate.

it is incredibly difficult to apply. you need to have several peices of evidence to back up your claim including doctor confirmation.
I don't think there are that many doctors that are willing to lie for people surely?

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MintyMoo · 19/05/2011 10:52

Oh ffs, so many disabilities are invisible. I know a family who were accused of playing the system, so many people said there was nothing wrong with my friend - then she was diagnosed with diabetes, epilepsy and ankylosing spondylitis. They soon shut up then, she's being tested for a whole host of other things as well like Lupus.

The fraud rate for DLA is actually very low. Lots of disabled people aren't even entitled to it. I have 3 disabilities and am not disabled enough to claim it yet.

I was accused of not really being ill by people I worked with. They also claimed I was mistaken for thinking I had dyspraxia. Luckily for me 8 GPs, a neurologist, a neurpsychologist, a rheumatologist, a physiotherapist, a hydrotherapist and a hand therapist disagreed with them. I do not see why I should be expected to share intimate details of a lifetime of medical problems with them just to satisfy them that I am ill. It is none of their business, being disabled doesn't mean I am less of a human being, it doesn't mean I have less right to medical privacy than a non disabled person.

So so many people claim that people are not sick when they are. Unless you're a qualified Dr, specialising in the field/fields that a persons disabilities fall under with FULL access to their medical history then you really don't know.

My father had THREE strokes, each of which occured AT work. His colleagues had to call the ambulances. It didn't stop some of them accusing him of faking it and being a malingerer. I wish I was joking but I'm not.

Look at the stats the Daily Hate etc like to publish about ESA. They mention how lots of people withdraw their claims before the medical test. This can happen months after the original claim was put in, you can claim for short term incapacity as well as long term. In 3 months lots of people will have recovered and no longer need to claim - the papers don't report this of course.

Also the figures of how many get refused DLA or ESA neglect to mention the large percentage who are later awarded the benefit on appeal. Most people are rejected when they first apply - it's to put people OFF applying. By refusing to mention a lot of people whose claims are rejected later win on appeal the papers can easily drum up moral outrage with statistics such as '75% of people found fit to work'. Lots of those people will get awarded the benefit at a later date. It can take years of claims for some people. My father has severe osteoarthritis and suffered 3 strokes. Still took 5 years until he was awarded his blue badge.

lou33 · 19/05/2011 14:19

Pixel, i hope your appeal is successful. Ds2 was initially reduced to lower rate personal carw earlier this year as they decided he didnt need night time help, despite the fact i haf explained at length he did, on the form and during a telephone interview. The appeal was dealt with quite quickly tho thankfully,and he was reinstated.

The attitude of some towards the disabled is appallng, especially for those who have a disability that isnt immediately obvious, and/or they are children. Everyone thinks they are self taught medical experts, and only older people can be disabled. I have no patience for it anymore tbh , i have been challenged too many times for using disabled bays, even tho the blue badge is on view and the wheelchair out of the boot.

I have had a noticeable deterioration with my back in the last few weeks as well. Knowing how horrible it is to apply for dla, i really hope it isnt getting to the point that i have to contemplate applying myself.

lou33 · 19/05/2011 14:21

Sorry about typos, i am posting from my phone

MintyMoo · 19/05/2011 15:54

i have been challenged too many times for using disabled bays, even tho the blue badge is on view and the wheelchair out of the boot

Lou that is awful, how on earth can they contest a wheelchair ffs!?

Some people are complete and utter fuckwits.

lou33 · 19/05/2011 16:34

it was an older retired couple, the woman stood next to my car and said to her husband, she was waiting to see which one of us were disabled,

i told her it was for my son , was she happy with that, and unlike him she was fortunate enough to be able to walk

i know it is mind boggling that even with a bloody wheelchair on display someone thought i wasnt entitled to be parked in the bay!

DillyDaydreaming · 19/05/2011 16:48

stickytoffeepud don't believe ALL you read dearie - do the research. Just 0.5% of DLA claims are thought to be fraudulent. It has a very low rate of fraud due to the proof needed to claim it.

... but then you probably don't understand figures - just the shit and propaganda you read in the Daily Mail.

Peachy · 19/05/2011 16:53

DLa is not only 0.5% over claimed (lowest rate per benefit but disabled people can;t fight back can they?), it's thougt to be 40% under claimed

Peachy · 19/05/2011 16:55

SSD said if we apply for a blue badge to council on basis of two X LR mobility they would back us

We ahven;t. I'm just not in a palce atm where I can deal with the constant justifying the boys' need for a space (safety).

DillyDaydreaming · 19/05/2011 16:56

God there are some ignorant fuckwits on this thread. Sadly they're probably just as shitty to others in life. Begrudging ANYTHING to others who are not as fortunate says a great deal about some of you ... and what it says is not nice.
Time for me to hide this thread now before I get really really abusive.

People like stickytoffeepud for example who can see no further than their own sweet little world, swallow the Daily Mail/Express for breakfast and then wander out to judge others. If only they were bright enough to have studied medicine then they might realise how variable illness and disability can be. Sadly the only thing they are capable of studying is what they think other people are getting that they are not. How sad, how irritating, how smug and selfish.

SO to the OP - YANBU and bye bye.

MintyMoo · 19/05/2011 17:00

Horrible. I hope they were ashamed of themselves. It's none of their business which of your family needs the badge - you had a blue badge, end of. I can't imagine just standing and gawking to see who was going to get in the wheelchair... some people really don't have much going on in their lives do they??!

Mind you years ago when I was at school I saw an argument break out in a car park - someone had gone and taken a deck chair and sat in a disabled parking space, they were saving it for someone who was being driven in to town later. There were no other available disabled places and 3 or 4 cars in the car park with blue badges, including ours. There weren't any non disabled spaces left and people were wanting to park and use the toilet (which was next to the disabled spaces).

The woman refused to move, when we got there she'd been there about 30 mins. She planned to sit there another 20 mins or so. She had food in a cool box and books/magazines etc to keep her entertained. It was almost like she was having a solitary picnic in the space.

She was effing and blinding and screaming abuse at anyone who asked her to move so that someone who was actually there, with a blue badge, could park there instead. She started getting competitive 'My sister's more disabled than you/your child/your spouse' etc

We ended up leaving when people started threatening to get violent.

People do some strange things.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 19/05/2011 18:09

stickytoffee thats very interesting. Can you provide the evidence for this? I would love to see something that backs up your claim.

What your brother's mate heard down the pub doesnt count though. I find actual facts make for a more compelling case.

Do you have any?

itsnicetobeniceto · 19/05/2011 18:40

People have no idea whats it is like to get around if you are disabled. The car is NOT free. No one would trade their health in for a free car. The DLA is a cold comfort for a disability. It is just as hard for the partner of a disabled person to get around too. Why does no-one think of that?? People also should stop staring at disabled people out and about. Who expects a disabled person to stays in doors forever ???? Or how do you expect a disabled person to look after their children...take them to school etc..just NORMAL EVERYDAY activities able bodied people take for granted. Its a hard job just getting through a door way these days nevermind be expected to have to walk long distances to catch a bus or pay a fortune to get a taxi.

madhairday · 19/05/2011 19:23

Just adding my YANBU, really. I'm saddened at the amount of disability-bashing going on at the moment, and just sick that even some Mumsnetters join in the hate campaign with ignorant and uncompassionate crap.

Thankfully there are some fantastic people on this thread and elsewhere who support those less fortunate than themselves and haven't been so stupid as to eat the Daily Fail for breakfast.

herbietea · 19/05/2011 20:41

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zebrafinch · 19/05/2011 21:38

I have a wheelchair accessible vehicle for my son who is 15. I paid a non refundable deposit of £3000 I think it was and his DLA mobility component is used to lease it. I have to lease it for 5 years. I did not want to get it but had no choice. we had to stop using the wheelchair accessible local bus because my son started turning blue (a navy blue) on travelling and we had to carry and administer O2 and call the ambulance. It was very distressing for the other passengers particularly if there were kids on board. I am a crap driver and the WAV is used only for my son apart from when I drive 5 minutes to Lidls. Because he is such a bad traveller we have very low mileage and also I have to act as his escort (to monitor his colour and be ready with the O2) so we have to rely on the availability of my ex or a Carer. Sometimes I think maybe paying for taxis is a better option but then there is so much stuff to carry for him and I wanted to take him more to the local beaches. I will need to find a bigger deposit for a bigger vehicle when the lease is up on this one but I feel I have very little option. Maybe the proposed Govt Policy regarding DLA Mobility component being stopped for people (children??) who spend a lot of time in respite or hospital will make the decision for us. When he is well we will then be staying at home. I am very grateful for the award of DLA and the motability scheme.

Peachy · 22/05/2011 11:54

Just had a letter from MAria Miller

(Go on someone tell me she is labour and anti tory or summat Wink)

Apparently disability income will be cut after UC comes in for all but teh HR DLA recipients. Now the only difference is night care: someone on MR care may need total attention and be impossible to get care for but HR only applies to night caree needs (in fact I have one of each). I will lose mroe than I gain by enough that I finally have to apply for housing in the next 12 months.

So- teaching places in Wales cut dramatically because of 40% unemployment in NQTs.

SW MA bursary cut so i can't do it.

minimum wage jobs won;t even touch childcare and unlike NT kids nor will CTFs as Sn childcare easily costs up to 100% more IF you can find it (big IF)

Tories- the party of opportunity eh?

MintyMoo · 22/05/2011 12:01

Peachy that's awful. How anyone can consider cutting the meagre help severely disabled people get is just :(

I had a letter from my MP which just had the findings of some official government report attached to it. It basically said 'the genuine disabled will be helped'

Lies lies and more lies.

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