To expect poo stain removal for £16 per hour

[LaurieFairyCake]

I have just got off the phone to my friend who has hired a new princess cleaner. She wasn't too impressed with the clean as the loos looked it hadn't been cleaned properly so she called the company up (think Molly Maid type thing):

Her: "I'm not too impressed as the loos still looked like they hadn't been cleaned properly"

Female Manager: pause "We don't clean loos Madam"

Her (stupefied): "Sorry, you don't clean the loos"????

Female Manager: "No, we can't have our maids do that as really that's up to the householder"

Her (totally flummoxed) : "Er, ok right - well, I guess the rest of the clean was ok"

and then she signs up for 4 hours a week at £16 per hour

When she phoned me up she seemed quite resigned to it.

I am totally [shocked]

I would expect the loos to be cleaned for £16 per hour.

Is that unreasonable? Fgs, care assistants in care homes round here get paid £6.75 an hour to do all sorts of heavy cleaning.

When did cleaning become so precious? And WHO EXACTLY do you need to hire to clean the loos? - Local council dramatically masked bio-hazard folk???

[Longtalljosie]

PaWithABra - you're a bloke, right? Do you spend your Saturdays underneath your car, as men did in the 70s? No, of course not, because it's now completely socially acceptable to pay for that work to be done. It's just traditionally female work that people start abusing each other over daring to pay to get out of.

If people don't want to be involved with the business of cleaning toilets, they shouldn't purchase a cleaning franchise. People not wanting to clean their own loos is a huge part of being able to sell cleaning services imo. And if they don't clean something as integral to house cleaning as toilets, they should make that clear at the outset. To go back to the car analogy, if you got it serviced and later discovered the oil hadn't been changed (a far messier job, I'd argue), and the mechanic said "we don't do oil", you'd have a word or two to say about it and you certainly wouldn't want to be called that word you used above.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Cleaners who won't clean toilets??? Sorry but your friend really needs a new cleaner. People put up with this sort of shit (no pun intended) from cleaning companies as they are slightly embarrassed about 'hiring staff'. (the attitude of PaWithABra is rather common among blokes who think woman who pay someone else to do household chores are posh and couldn't possibly just be busy.)

(Disclaimer - I dont have a cleaner, but that's because of lack of funds not because I think it's my moral duty to clean the loo - oh I'd love to have a cleaner, esp one that would iron...)

[LaurieFairyCake]

PawithaBra - FUCK YOU ASSMUNCH

She has 5 children, a dead husband and she is undergoing chemo - if you were for sale I'd hire you to go round and lick her fucking toilets clean - she is the least fucking bourgeois cunt their is.

[NettoSuperstar]

I got paid £6 an hour to clean in a Care Home, including all the gross toilets.
It didn't bother me.

[sausagesandmarmelade]

I'd be embarrassed having someone come and clean a shitty loo.

At least run it round with the brush to get the stains off and flush the chain before the cleaner comes.

Then all he/she needs to do is to put the chemicals down it and finish the job.

[Tortoiseonthehalfshell]

Well, and scrub under the rim and the top and wipe the seat and clean the stand. I'm assuming that the cleaner does not do any of that, it's not just about deposits on the inside of the bowl, is it?

Laurie, I really wish your friend had a better (and cheaper!) cleaner, with all that going on, the poor soul.

[sausagesandmarmelade]

Bit strong with the abuse...

How was anyone to know she was undergoing Chemo?
Had you put that detail in your opening post then maybe people wouldn't have assumed she had a cleaner for other reasons.

As someone who cleans any stains from a public loo/hotel loo before the cleaners get a look in I maintain that I'd try and get the worst off. I wouldn't like anyone to see my mess.

[Longtalljosie]

Laurie - if that's the case, action's definitely needed. Could you find her another cleaner, a cheaper one without silly ideas, and present her with an alternative option?

I'd also consider contacting Molly Maid head office - it's very odd that my local office is fine about it but yours acts like it's beyond the pale...

[valiumredhead]

I don't understand why cleaning someone's loo is 'degrading'

Vile maybe, but degrading?

[Housemare]

I agree with all of you who say the cleaner should ruddy well clean!

[LaurieFairyCake]

It's not relevant sausages - only when someone calls her a bourgeois cunt

It's not Molly Maid themselves - just a company that sounds like them - apparently it's company policy.

They didn't clean any of the toilet (which is why she called) - there was the usual dust/fluff/water stains on the cistern/seat

[Longtalljosie]

Oh well I'd call Molly Maid then! They'll do it. They use a limescale remover to clean the toilet because that's where the germs live.

It's the snooty pause that really annoys me on your behalf. Like they'd never been asked that before! £16 is insane as well. MM charge something similar but it's two cleaners doing it at once so that's fair enough...

[Butterbur]

I wonder if PaWithaBra cleans his own shit off the toilet, or whether he expects his wife to do it for him?

[Mumwithadragontattoo]

If I were a cleaner I would say to people at the outset that I'd clean the toilets but ask them to give the bowl a quick brush before we arrive. I think that's fair. Cleaners are paid to clean but scrubbing other people's shit is beyond the norm.

[IreneHeron]

If you find it degrading to clean loos then don't get a job as a cleaner.

[PaWithABra]

i dont have a wife.

i clean me own shit and that of my children.

Paying somone to clean up after you is middle class or bourgeois... call it what you like.
kings used to have someone to wipe their arse. If you had enough money would pay for this service ?

might not by be a bourgeois but anybody who thinks someone else should clean their shit because they PAY them is a cunt.

[PaWithABra]

its not about gender determined roles..... as so many of you women are so quick to assume but about something absolutley essential to being human .. cleaning your own shit.... and the belief of those with money to to think they are above it.

'its just so hard to get the staff these days, darling'. twits.

[Lucyinthepie]

I am a self-employed cleaner, not because I'm a woman, or because I'm some sort of lower class uneducated minion pandering to the lazy bourgeois... I do it because it's an easy £11 per hour and it's flexible work.
I will happily clean toilets, it's not difficult and loo seats are what anti-bacterial wipes were invented for. I wouldn't be quite so happy if I regularly found shit in the loo, because I think that it's a bit minging if someone just leaves that for the cleaner, or other members of the household to deal with. However, that is something I hardly ever come across to be honest.
(I did the high flying 16 hour days justifying my MBA and gave it up years back to get quality of life).

[usualsuspect]

I wouldn't expect anyone to clean shit from my toilet

clean your own shit off people

[MCos]

Your friend needs new clearers.

I have a cleaner. My toilets are usually shit free, at least they are the night before. But I don't check prior to school run - so there is certainly possiblity that on occasion they are not OK by time cleaner arrives. But all loos are sparkling by time I arrive home from work after clearers have been. As it should be.

[togarama]

Another YANBU.

I've worked as a hotel cleaner when I was a student and cleaned many toilets. It really isn't that bad when you're being paid for it. However, when I have the cash, I'm definitely glad to pay someone else to clean my house including the loo.

I don't see anything wrong with paying or being paid to clean toilets. It's just another job that needs doing.

[PaWithABra]

you have more than one loo then ?

oooooooo

[PaWithABra]

funny how its ok when "i was a student'

slumming it for beer money but you all seem to fail to realise that this is the daily bread for many people and instead of being humble enough to have the upmost gratitude for those whose lives have (for whatever reason) meant they clean up up your shit you all just moan about the price or the quality or some such middle class bullshit when really you should just be donning your very own marrigolds and srubbing your own stains. But But but
i worked hard to be able to have my own slave to wipe my ass and at 16 pounds an hour it really is insufferable to be expected to use my manicured and moisturised fingers to clean it myself

good fucking God... ask your self .. did Jesus have a cleaner ?

[MumblingRagDoll]

It's reasonable to expect the loo to be cleaned imo. Your friend is a numpty for paying that much for fussy cleaners.

[MumblingRagDoll]

Pa...you don't have to have "the upmost gratitude" to someone who is working as your cleaner. Why would you? You're paying them! They're not doing you a bloody favour!