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to think that actually, this is a form of financial abuse?

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prettymuchapixiegirl · 07/05/2011 15:36

My friend is married and has 3 children, aged 9, 3 and a newborn baby. She hasn't worked since she had the 3 year old.

Her DH works full time, in a minimum wage job, and so they qualify for housing benefit, a small amount of council tax benefit, the usual tax credits and of course Child benefit.

Her DH says that, as he works and she doesn't, all the money is his, and everything is paid into one account, for which only he has access. He gives her a (small) amount each week for food shopping and if she needs money for anything else, such as taking the 2 youngest to toddler group, she has to ask him for money. Sometimes he says yes, sometimes no. He also logs all mileage on their car and checks when she's been out somewhere that she has only done the mileage she should have done and hasn't been anywhere else "wasting petrol".

She asked me my opinion and I said that in my opinion they are a family unit and as such all money coming into their house is theirs. Not his. And especially not money given to them by the state, for the children. He has earnt his wages, fair enough (although IMO they're not his and his alone) but the benefits are for the whole family. I wouldn't say that the children go without, but they have bags of handmedown clothes from me and from other people, and they don't get to do a lot of things such as have days out or even go to soft play or anything like that. My friend has no idea how much money they have in the bank as her husband won't tell her.

I have suggested to her that she sets up a bank account of her own and contacts tax credits and child benefit to get them paid into that account, although I'm unsure about whether they'd do that without her husband's agreement too. She would get a job but obviously she has a newborn baby and also she hasn't got any qualifications so chances are she would end up in a minimum wage job and pay all her wages on childcare. Her husband works shifts so she can't take an evening or weekend job, and she feels totally stuck.

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fatlazymummy · 08/05/2011 07:24

She may not even want to leave. She may find ways of resolving these issues or come to accept them. She may be able to get another job and gain some degree of financial independence.

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 07:31

i don't understand how people get themselves into these situations in the first place, let alone put up with them.

You get what you settle for and she clearly either doesn't want to change or hasn't the courage/strength to change .

fatlazymummy · 08/05/2011 08:07

whaddayouknow there are lots of possible reasons. Maybe she comes from a similar background. Maybe there are religious/cultural factors. Perhaps she has low self esteem that her partner is exploiting. Maybe she has a background of financial problems and therefore her partner has found it neccesary to assume financial control. Perhaps her partner is genuinely psychotic and she has to survive in that situation. People don't come with 'sociopath' or 'psychopath' tatooed on their forehead.
There are lots of possible reasons why this person is in this situation.

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 08:35

No, there is one reason and one alone.

Because she allows herself to be.

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/05/2011 08:40

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Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 08:44

No, I don't understand how women get together with abusive, nasty and controlling men and then stay, year after year and kid after kid bringing those children into toxic relationships.
No, I don't. And talking over this with my girlfriends, I am not alone.

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saffy85 · 08/05/2011 08:53

It's so easy to say that isn't it? "Well, you allow yourself to be controlled and abused by your partner so what do you expect?" But sometimes it's just not that obvious at first and when it does become obvious that you're in trouble you're in way over your head.

It does sound like financial abuse to me. I can't imagine living like that, no freedom someone knowing your wherabouts all the time... Sad But it sounds like the OP's friend knows the way she is being treated is unfair which is a sign she wants things to change. Unfortunately, men like this don't usually change and the only way to change things is to get as far away from them as you possibly can. Womans Aid is most obvious place to go for help. They are brilliant ime.

Really hope your friend gets out of this OP. She deserves so much better, as do her children.

fatlazymummy · 08/05/2011 08:54

whaddayouknow aren't you and your friends lucky then?

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 08:54

I'm not sure it's that clear cut, TBH.
I have seen women just dating controlling men and they know they are controlling but they, " love him".
Yes, some men get progressively worse but some are like it from the beginning.

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 08:56

fatlazymummy.
Lucky? Not to be married to an abusive controlling shit?

You think having a decent man is " luck"?

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saffy85 · 08/05/2011 09:05

Some people grow up thinking this is as good as it gets. That yes, he's controlling, mean and abusive but they wont get anyone better and well he says she asks for it. I know people who think like that. My gran used to think that way. It's taken her 60 years of marriage to see my grandfather's behaviour was unacceptable and she didn't actually deserve to be treated the way she was. But she still loves him with all her heart. It breaks my heart to think that she's spent 60 years feeling like the crap he threw at her was all her fault, that she deserved it.

Some people just can not see it. Or if they ever do they're so worn down they don't believe they'll escape, so stay and put up with it. Or they're more afraid of being alone.

fatlazymummy · 08/05/2011 09:05

whaddayaknow lucky to live in your own little bubble. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 09:12

fatlazymummy, a bubble? Luck? not to live with a controlling scumbag?

Is this how you see life, really?

Arion · 08/05/2011 10:32

Whaddayouknow a young woman local to us was shot and killed a few years ago by an ex, she'd only been dating him, not even living together. It is not always clear cut or easy for someone to leave. Those who are in this situation deserve sympathy, and help, not contempt.

Do you and your friends blame the victims of bullying as well as "bringing it on themselves/putting up with it?

(Before you say I've gone off at a tangent, domestic abuse is basically perpetrated by bullies.)

Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 10:40

If someone bullies you you try to avoid them.
You don't shag them and cook their tea.

saffy85 · 08/05/2011 10:43

Do you really think it's that simple? Really? Are you that ignorant? Shock

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Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 11:07

So, are you saying that this happens after a period of time? That it is gradual?
In which case when do the alarm bells start to ring? At what point is it that some women feel they can't leave?
And what about all the women who go back. Who " love them" so stay?
Women have to take responsibility for their own lives, as men do.
I am far from excusing the shits these men are.

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/05/2011 11:38

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Whaddayouknow · 08/05/2011 11:55

Some men are nasty, vile little shits.
It is a good idea not to get involved with men like that and to leave them as soon as you can see them going that way.
Years ago women had less choices but we have places to go, benefits, Women Aid etc. There are plenty of escape routes.

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