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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

or is prejudice against America considered OK by most of mumsnet?

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VajazzHands · 05/05/2011 14:25

Comments about America on mumsnet, really ridiculous comments (basically that all Americans, are fat, stupid, god botherers bent on taking over the world) seem to be largely ignored and accepted as fact in a way that comments about any other country never would.

Blatant sexism, racism, xenophobia, disablism would never be tolerated on MN in any other circumstance. Why do people let it go about Americans?

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electra · 05/05/2011 20:00

yabu - I don't think any prejudice is ok.

dreamingbohemian · 05/05/2011 20:03

Oh come on now.

I don't know anyone who thinks ALL americans are fat, white, ignorant, stupid, etc. Even a quick immersion in our pop culture will show that's not the case.

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valiumbandwitch · 05/05/2011 21:04

Never knew you were in America madamedeathstare. Of course, I suppose there is no reason why I should know!

When I was in Boston I thought it was exactly the same as home.

MadamDeathstare · 06/05/2011 01:53

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VajazzHands · 06/05/2011 02:37

Actually dreamingbohemian some really do.

This is a post from yesterday on Mumsnet.

It's all a stage managed thing and perhaps also illustrates that the Amercians are just a little behind us in terms of development. Large numbers of them believe the planet is only 6000 years old etc. They will in time move towards our level of development but at the moment they do not show themselves in a very good light. They are being led and don't seem to have the brains to avoid being led. Let us hope was can show some of them a better path on this thread.

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CheerfulYank · 06/05/2011 03:34

Americans are great! At least mid-westerners are... :o

Some things:

Yes, where I live, most people have guns. No one here shoots other people with them. Ever. They shoot animals, and almost without exception, those animals have a better life/death than the majority of animals killed for food on "factory farms."

Yes, where I live, a lot of us do believe in God and go to church. We don't care if you do or not. We take pride in "minding our own business," and your religious beliefs (or lack of) do not fall under that heading. The majority of us do believe in God, which is why "in God we trust" is on our money and other things. However, most of us believe firmly in a separation of church and state, which is why a Nativity play at a public (or "state") school strikes us as odd.

Yes, where I live, we love a good baby shower. Our families are very important to us, so the advent of a new member is a wonderful and celebratory thing. We also love to give presents. This does not mean that we are crass and tacky, it means that we are family-oriented and taught that generosity is a virtue. (And generosity is a big thing with us; it is the biggest insult to most Americans I know to imply that they are selfish. Even our "blood sucking corporations" come through occasionally: within 48 hours after the earthquake leveled Port-au-Prince and its surrounding villages, American companies pledged more than $16 million in direct aid. When Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, U.S. businesses gave $1.4 billion in aid. Boeing and Weyerhaeuser donated $1.5 million in just the first week. Walmart donated $23 million in cash and opened its stores in affected areas to provide food, water and supplies to hurricane victims.)

No, where I live, we are not stupid. We don't spell things the same way as you do, but they are not the "wrong" spellings. We only have one form of "practice", so that is the one we use.

Yes, we value work too much. (Being lazy is right up there with being selfish in insults as far as most of us are concerned. :) ) We do not have enough vacation time or parental leave, and this needs to change. However, this is directly tied into our love of a good rags-to-riches story. We are not (at least in the part of America where I've always lived) overly impressed with "class" or "breeding". What impresses us is someone who works hard and makes something of themselves, especially when that person comes from a less-than-stellar background. You'd never hear us say "she used to be an air stewardess " in a disparaging tone, though you might hear us say it in an admiring one. Our unofficial national motto is "give a person guts, and shit will do for brains." :o

Even the most jaded of us believes, in their heart of hearts, that if you work hard and do your best by others, you will come out ahead. This may not be true, but when has it ever been a bad frame of mind?

We are sometimes seen as stupid or simple because of these things. I think a lot people forget that there are multiple kinds of intelligence, and personally if the shit were hitting the fan and I had to choose between a clear-thinking, hard-working, "let's get this done" person in work boots and a snarky urbanite in a suit...well, easy choice as far as I'm concerned. Wink

Oh, and I've never had a problem with the concept of irony, thank you. I am broadminded enough to appreciate the appeal of many different forms of humor. :)

doley · 06/05/2011 04:02

cheerful great post :)

I am in the mid-west too ,heading back for the UK in the fall ...

I will miss many things about America ...I believe one really has to live here to fully understand the wonderful things about the culture and people.

Americans are just like the British =humans :)

PenguinArmy · 06/05/2011 04:14

I always got annoyed when people went on about American's not having a passport. If you consider Europe to be one country (assuming similar land mass to the states), not many British people have been outside of that.

I have lived in CA for nearly a year and will be sad to leave at the end of the summer.

PenguinArmy · 06/05/2011 04:15

although at least I'm getting asked my views on 'the wedding' any more Grin

Morloth · 06/05/2011 04:30

I have quite enjoyed all of the Americans I have met personally.

Especially the Texans my god I love Texas, its big, the people are big (both in shape and personality), the margeritas are huge, an excellent place. I like Big.

But I am Australian which on Mumsnet means I am a little bit backward and quite racist. Wink

It is like the common stereotype here of whinging pommies with bad teeth who are a bit crap at everything but still seem to think having a queen makes them a bit special.

dreamingbohemian · 06/05/2011 07:07

Vajazzhands I don't know, I'm not supremely offended by that quote (although I didn't read that thread)

Large numbers of Americans DO believe in creationism. Polls show this.
All over the country you have school districts fighting to teach creationism or intelligent design instead of evolution. You have museums dedicated to creationism. You have signs at the Grand Canyon offering the intelligent design interpretation of it. At the last presidential campaign, in a debate among Republican candidates, every one of them said they believed the Bible's version of creation.

Obviously not all Americans believe in creationism, but many do, and in many parts of the country and our political discourse it is a belief that is tolerated.

Now, I don't personally think that makes America less developed as a nation. But I'm not surprised if someone from the UK is kind of horrified by this and thinks Americans need to grow up. I mean, can you imagine David Cameron standing up and saying that creationism should be taught in science classes? It just wouldn't happen.

I don't agree with the quote, but I'm not offended. It's just hyperbole. Isn't that what the internet runs on? Smile

Morloth · 06/05/2011 07:25

UK has the head of a church as its Head of State.

dreamingbohemian · 06/05/2011 07:43

But that's a historical legacy, and a largely symbolic function, and no one voted her into office. It's very different to having an elected president a man we trust with the nuclear launch codes who believes every word of the Bible is true.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 06/05/2011 07:44

Agree withe cheerfulyank about baby showers. In the US, it's a fun celebration with family and friends, but like a lot of things, really hasn't translated. Here in the UK, it's a gift grabbing exercise.

My cousin in California threw me a baby shower, or rather for DD. It was a lovely brunch with about 10 family and friends. There were aunts and great aunts there and some really great discussions about raising children, advice on b/fing, potty training, discussions about all sorts of things. It was brilliant.

For some reason, in the UK, baby showers have this stigma of being a tacky American tradition, however would like to point out that most of the British baby showers have been rather focused on the gifts which is not like any of the baby showers in the US I've ever been to.

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thumbwitch · 06/05/2011 08:38

Madamdeathstare linked to a lovely American website on another thread, showing that baby showers can be gift-grabbing exercises in the USA as well as in the UK. It was quite eye-opening! The few responses were quite akin to many of those on MN in similar threads...

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HHLimbo · 06/05/2011 12:46

I know some Americans, they are lovely, (and slim and intelligent !?).

But it is right to criticise America for certain things. Their government does not serve the people, and the people dont seem to realise or seem unwilling to hold their government to acount (although Obama is a huge improvement). They seem so easily misled and manipulated.

  • lack of healthcare is a big one, the way corporate interests are allowed to override the good of the people (food manufacturers selling junk, workers rights , womens rights)

"I think a lot people forget that there are multiple kinds of intelligence, and personally if the shit were hitting the fan and I had to choose between a clear-thinking, hard-working, "let's get this done" person in work boots and a snarky urbanite in a suit...well, easy choice as far as I'm concerned"

This is a problem in America. In Europe, it is often that hard working person in work boots that reads the news and educates themselves about what is going on, and holds their government to account. (it may also be that they have the time to do this because they are not being exploited by their employer)
Whereas in US it is seen as a bad thing to be intelligent, in many areas.

Britain has its own problems, but things are worse in America.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2011 12:49

'Britain has its own problems, but things are worse in America.'

That is a generalisation because, as in the UK, quality of life is very subjective depending on where a person lives.

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expatinscotland · 06/05/2011 12:52

'They seem so easily misled and manipulated.

  • lack of healthcare is a big one, the way corporate interests are allowed to override the good of the people (food manufacturers selling junk, workers rights , womens rights)'

That is happening here or will happen in the near future. Under this government. Which was just voted in, not 'held to account'.

Bank bailouts? No one was 'held to account' for that here. RBS just posted £116m loss in months and again, bonuses are still being paid out.

And intelligence, valued in many areas here? You must not have turned on the telly in the past 10 years. Big Brother, the XFactor, The Only Way Is Essex, etc etc. Katie Price, Jodie Marsh, Chanelle Houghton, Jade Goody, Cheryl Cole, WAGs, Kerry Katona . . .

HHLimbo · 06/05/2011 12:54

Of course its a generalisation, Hmm I said "Britain" and "America", not "expat" FFS.

Things ARE worse in America, that is why it is important to criticize them, and not look up to them nor follow their example.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2011 12:56

So you know, for a fact, things are worse for all 400m people there?

Yeah, okay.

Things are worse for us under this government, but they are not for other people I know personally here. So I can't really say, 'Things are worse in the UK now.'

Because that's bollocks. It is for some, not for others. Some are applauding the changes. Others rue them.