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To think that the landlord of the pub in Soho was within his rights to ask the couple to leave?

223 replies

CUKAmbassador · 16/04/2011 14:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13103647

We've all seen the story. It seems to me that it's completely blown out of all proportion in exactly the same way that the couple with the B&B did not want gay couples staying under their roof.

If you were sat in a pub/restaurant and a heterosexual couple started getting steamed up, kissing passionately, hands all over each other, you'd be like 'Get a room' or 'take it outside'. I personally would move to another seat, I don't want to see it, straight or gay.

I think you should be allowed to ask people to move/leave for whatever reason if there is no prejudice and think this is another classic example of bleeding heart lefties using tactics to make the majority feel like the minority.

AIBU?

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HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 18:52

Have there, Milly? Which?

I thought this was all about upholding the ban on discrimination. Religious people cannot discriminate. Nor can atheists. Homosexuals cannot discriminate. Nor can heterosexuals. Those of Irish origin cannot discriminate - nor too can blacks, Asians etc etc.

kj1977 · 16/04/2011 18:52

I hate PDA's by anyone, straight or gay...........just makes me think "get a room" and unsure where to look, eyes normally end up on floor or ceiling!! lol

chocolatecoveredlissielou · 16/04/2011 18:52

hecate, i agree, its vile. as i said earlier, I ejected asked one couple to leave because they were just... disgusting! he had his hand in her knickers ffs, and she was fondling him through his trews. I got an eyeful as I walked past with plates, and there were still kids in the pub.

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 18:54

Ah, but Hec, hj - you are equal opportunity-anti PDA-ers. So that's ok. And Lissie, assuming you'd have ejected any filthy beast, gay or straight, that too is ok!

Checks gavel over. It has been used a lot today. It is fine.

Ryoko · 16/04/2011 18:55

HazeltheMcWitch

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't, we will never have a fully tolerant society , someone is all ways going to get rubbed up the wrong way over something, gays have rights as do those of faiths that consider being gay a sin.

who's rights are more equal then others?, take who whole gay rights aspect thing out of it and just judge it on this, how many people complained, where they asked to leave outright or stop it or leave?.

The landlord must act on the majority voice of the customers.

Carminaburana · 16/04/2011 18:57

Yep agree with that - I can't stand PDA - Control yourselves you fools
And I couldn't care less what you are, gay/straight whatever - it's yuck

So the landlord was right - kick em out.

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 18:58

Well, the law is quite clear on that, Ryoko. Being gay is not wrong, a sin, it should not be punished. One should not be discriminated against on the basis of sexuality (nor gender, race etc etc).

The law allows freedom from religious persuction, but not to a point where it allows laws to be broken. Clear?

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 18:58

persuction PERSECUTION

LadyOfTheManor · 16/04/2011 18:59

But they got kicked out for necking in public not for being gay in public.

MadamDeathstare · 16/04/2011 18:59

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chocolatecoveredlissielou · 16/04/2011 19:00

hazel, oh I would. either that or offer them a room at an extortionate reasonable price.. its all about upselling Wink

Carminaburana · 16/04/2011 19:00

Exactly LOTM - but some people just don't get it.

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 19:02

Lady, you're back!!!
We've been through this already, haven't we? Did you forget, or ignore?

Witnesses state that the landord did not chuck out anyone else who was having a snog. Just the gay couple...

MillyR · 16/04/2011 19:03

Hazel

'The right to practice religion or belief (or no belief for that matter) is a fundamental right, as is the right not to suffer discrimination for doing so. But in manifesting a belief, individuals must have consideration for the equality laws in practice. The law will not permit discrimination against gay people, regardless of your beliefs.'

This was established through test cases in court

From here:

www.lgf.org.uk/equality-act-religion-versus-sexual-orientation/

LadyOfTheManor · 16/04/2011 19:03

I don't recall reading that every couple was "snogging" in there. Besides, the LL is in his right to kick them out if he wanted to (no not for being gay but for inappropriate behaviour).

LadyOfTheManor · 16/04/2011 19:04

I'd be interested to know who the witnesses are...

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 19:06

And Lady, I don't recall writing that 'every couple was snogging in there'. But witness state that the gay couple were NOT treated the same as heteros doing the exact same thing.

And the LL's right to kick out - or not - has already been address on the thread as you well know...

schmee · 16/04/2011 19:08

I've publicly snogged in many pubs and never been asked to leave. It was because they are a gay couple.

Carminaburana · 16/04/2011 19:08

Me too Lotm, having been in quite a few pubs in Soho you don't get chucked out for having a quick kiss.

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 19:09

MillyR, I really don't get your point and your link. It confirms what I said, right - that we are all equal before the law. Indeed:

"The message the law gives it is thankfully clear: It will not permit discrimination against gay people or against one particular religious group, and one form of discrimination will not be permitted to trump another."

LadyOfTheManor · 16/04/2011 19:10

Hazel-why don't you go and protest if you care so much?

The LL will get away with it as you well know. I have NOT asked every couple of their sexual orientation in the pub so I don't know and I imagine the "witnesses" didn't do that either.

They've got their 5 minutes of fame.

MotherSnacker · 16/04/2011 19:13

Straight people snog in pubs all the time. It was because they were gay. Unfair of the landlord I think.

HazeltheMcWitch · 16/04/2011 19:14

I do care, yes LOTM. I care that bigotry is alive and well in the UK.
Why did I not go and protest? I live quite far away, have kids to look after, usual reasons.

Besides, I like to stay here with you and see what claptrap you will come out with next.

Why did you not go and defend the LL ?

Ps - 'get away with it?' Is that an admission that yes, likely discrimination did indeed take place?

alistron1 · 16/04/2011 19:15

Oh my word, I'd have been banned from lots of pubs across the UK in my yoof if snogging was a banning offence.

And just to clarify for LOTM, my mother was in the pub trade for many years, ran a few pubs and couldn't just tell people to leave for 'no reason'...and having worked in pubs two guys kissing is the least of problems that occur when people go out and get pissed.

People do snog in pubs of an evening, it's generally where people conduct dates etc...unless the guys were shagging over the bar or something then of course it was out of order to tell them to leave.

LadyOfTheManor · 16/04/2011 19:16

I don't care enough either way, that's why. He may well have kicked them out for being gay, he may well have kicked them out because he didn't like the shirt one of them was wearing-I DON'T KNOW, I wasn't there and neither were you. I don't care enough to call anyone who doesn't want to see people kissing BIGOTS. If it WAS because they were gay, he will "get away with it" because he has the right to refuse anyone for anyone reason. If it wasn't because they were gay, then he hasn't broken the law. Gosh,