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To be Disturbed by this woman in a Burka? ......

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Gingefringe · 11/04/2011 16:45

I saw a very strange event in Debenhams make-up counter this week-end which on reflection, I found very disturbing.
A woman in a full burka (including her eyes covered in thin veil) came up to the make-up counter with a man (presumably DH). The man then proceeded to ask about foundation for the woman and had a conversation with the sales assistant which rarely included the woman at all (apart from trying on a sample colour on her hand).
I felt so sorry for the poor woman - not only to be forced to wear this ridiculous veil but she wasn't allowed even to chose her own make-up!
I did give the man my best evil looks but he didn't seem to notice - perhaps because I was a woman!! I was too cowardly to say anything.

On the day that France bans the burka I wonder whether you would have said anything?

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goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 07:46

Gosh this has been going on all night.

I still feel the same after reading every post, I believe they [ladies] think they are wearing the burka out of choice but really they are brain washed or afraid not to.

Also I would like to see a video of ''the burka wearing trampolining lady''
it would be a utube sensation.

Surely if the British summer hit 90 degrees a burka would be a tad uncomfy, I would not even wear a black tee shirt in that heat.

lesley33 · 12/04/2011 07:50

There are some women who are pressurised or made to wear a veil or burkha. There are also British muslims, often university educated, who choose to wear a veil - sometimes aginst the objection of their families. These women often say wearing the veil is empowering. They are not brain washed or forced to wear the veil.

However I don't believe the veil is empowering - and is in the same vein as lap dancers talking about lapdancing as "empowering". And yes the veil does cut women off from other people in public.

Animation · 12/04/2011 07:51

Well the purpose of a Burka strikes me as an anti-social reason.

It's got to be.

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 07:53

Anti social............yes!

It has been said before but you can gage someones personality by their facial expression, if you cannot see their face I feel they look aggressive to start with.

LadyOfTheManor · 12/04/2011 08:06

For those of you who say that burka wearers are oppressed because men tell them what to wear, can you not see that the ban is STILL men telling what to wear?

I am SICK to my back ears hearing "British culture" or "our customs".
Britain is a mongrel country full of mongrel races and mongrel traditions. No one can define what it is that makes one British therefore one cannot differentiate a third party for "not fitting in".

Animation · 12/04/2011 08:11

Sick to the back ears - BACK EARS - blimey! Smile

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:11

our customs.our country....our laws.

If you wanna live here abide by it or get out.

If you dont like it.....get out.

nobody asked you to come here, or your parents or grandparents.

If it is so bad why did they come in the first place.

lesley33 · 12/04/2011 08:13

I don't think there should be a ban on the burkha.

But I also don't think Britain is a "mongrel" race with "mongrel" traditions. When you live somewhere and only visit other places on holiday it can be hard to see the differences in our culture. But when you live in another country, the cultural differences become much clearer.

And although Britain has had a range of invaders over the years, genetic profiling of populations has shown that there is far less genetic diversity in the UK than the "mongrel" theory would have us believe.

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:13

Britain is a British country if anyone else wants to live here ''they have to do the fitting in''

If I live elsewhere I would have to do the ''fitting in''

takewhatyoucan · 12/04/2011 08:13

IMHO, a rather narrow minded comment OP!

EricNorthmansMistress · 12/04/2011 08:18

The idea of dressing modestly and lowering one's gaze is not to protect women from rape

I can't say that enough

Nijinsky you keep asking whether muslim men consider uncovered women 'fair game' or whether men are considered uncontrollable beasts. That is NOT the muslim way. Yes ther are ignorant men who consider western women slags and fair game but they are cunts in any culture.

The idea is to assist believing men and women to stay 'pure' mentally and physically. To avoid thoughts about sex and to avoid interactions with the opposite sex which could lead toconsensual sexual activity. Nothing to do with being 'fair game'

lesley33 · 12/04/2011 08:20

Of course if you go somewhere else you have to do the fitting in. But many women who wear burkhas have been born and brought up in the UK - they are British. And in some cases their family do not agree with them wearing the burkha.

I understand that this is part of muslim radicalisation - but I don't really understand why some British women are drawn to this. Can anyone shed any light?

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:21

I believe a woman wearing a Burka will never truly be regarded as British.

lesley33 · 12/04/2011 08:21

Ericnorthmans mistress - Please don't u8se the word cunts - it is really disrespectful.

spongefingerssavedmylife · 12/04/2011 08:21

Did OP ever come back, or is s/he just taking notes?

lesley33 · 12/04/2011 08:22

They may not be regarded as British by some, but they are British. In the same way a few white British men have converted to Islam and become terrorists/suicide bombers.

spongefingerssavedmylife · 12/04/2011 08:23

Avoiding interactions which could lead to consensual sexual activity?

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:24

British men do and done done the suicide bombing thing, but if the extremists were not in this country to begin with it would not of happened.

Gooseberrybushes · 12/04/2011 08:24

Mrchips that is so narrow-minded. It sounds so negative and hateful. What do you want, everyone the same?

But this :

"I am SICK to my back ears hearing "British culture" or "our customs" . ..Britain is a mongrel country"

is so much the other extreme.

You might not like it Lady, but there are such things as British customs morees and there is such a thing as British social culture. People are protective of them as they are in any other country, it's completely natural. One of its customs (if not its traditions) is tolerance and acceptance. But that doesn't mean people have to tolerate anything at all, especially anything that's a complete antithesis to their own culture of integration. Or mongrelness.

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:24

have done [sorry typing fast]

LadyOfTheManor · 12/04/2011 08:25

Goodbye- You are implying that Muslims are not British.

goodbyemrschips · 12/04/2011 08:25

What is narrow minded?

LadyOfTheManor · 12/04/2011 08:25

Goose- Please tell me what makes one British.

Animation · 12/04/2011 08:26

Eric - so is the burka like a 'boundary' to men - this is my boundary - don't cross it?

EricNorthmansMistress · 12/04/2011 08:26

lesley33 I used it for a reason and stand by it.

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