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To be Disturbed by this woman in a Burka? ......

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Gingefringe · 11/04/2011 16:45

I saw a very strange event in Debenhams make-up counter this week-end which on reflection, I found very disturbing.
A woman in a full burka (including her eyes covered in thin veil) came up to the make-up counter with a man (presumably DH). The man then proceeded to ask about foundation for the woman and had a conversation with the sales assistant which rarely included the woman at all (apart from trying on a sample colour on her hand).
I felt so sorry for the poor woman - not only to be forced to wear this ridiculous veil but she wasn't allowed even to chose her own make-up!
I did give the man my best evil looks but he didn't seem to notice - perhaps because I was a woman!! I was too cowardly to say anything.

On the day that France bans the burka I wonder whether you would have said anything?

OP posts:
nailak · 11/04/2011 21:23

i still dont et this allowed? by who? my husband lets me make my own decisions, and decide for myself what i think is acceptable, so who is oin to disallow me? the imam of mosque i dont attend? community? who?

GORGEOUSX · 11/04/2011 21:23

mama2plusbump Why shouldn't you be subjected to a throrough search - like the rest of us have to endure every time we travel?

mama2plusbump · 11/04/2011 21:24

Chick i did when i was at uni, i worked in a womens refugee but to be honest he muslim women had the same issues as non muslim women where i worked. Although this may not be the case everywhere,it makes me furious when muslim men infact men behave and treat their women like this! I wiuld love to get involved with these women again and help. Im sorry my comment was about women ha ing bank acciunts and working chick.

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:24

Not an answer

So go with a male friend to the cafe for a coffee at night!

If you can tolewrate the shame

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:25

tolerate the gossip

amazing how much you are in denial

goodbyemrschips · 11/04/2011 21:26

I believe some really believe they are doing what they want..................I think it is called brainwashing!

mama2plusbump · 11/04/2011 21:27

Gorgeoux i have no objection but it was funny that o ky openly dressed muslims where stopped and searched and had our belongings destorued and on display! I had my smalls thrown around the security men!
I have nothing to hide search as ou please but treat me equally! The brother and his wife where on the flight too,and funnily he wasnt stopped nor where they searched!

squeakytoy · 11/04/2011 21:27

GORGEOUSX Mon 11-Apr-11 21:23:52
mama2plusbump Why shouldn't you be subjected to a throrough search - like the rest of us have to endure every time we travel?

I travel through customs numerous times a year and have never had any sort of thorough search. I walk through the x-ray and thats it.

nailak · 11/04/2011 21:27

i said i dont want to. and tbh i often socialise with my friend and her husband and kids which includes oin to cafes at niht and i talk to him and have conversations with him, and my dh knows, and he comes to events at my house, in which my inlaws are also here, with my friend so yes i am allowed male friends, althouh i am covered in his presence.

EricNorthmansMistress · 11/04/2011 21:27

Youaretoonice

jesus woman you are incredibly narrow minded and bitter.

and 'live in the western way simples' fucking hell that's a fantastically well reasoned piece of arguing right there Hmm

The 'western way'is based on the principles of freedom of choice, freedom of expression and minimal government interference in our lives. Banning a piece of clothing or a religious observance is doing the opposite.

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:28

I have never ever met a Muslim woman who'd want a male friend! Socialise normally in aplatonic friendship.

mama2plusbump · 11/04/2011 21:28

You-lol does going for a coffee with a male make us less oppressed?
Lol

squeakytoy · 11/04/2011 21:29

Youartoonice, have you ever met muslim woman at all? you seem to have a lot of misconceptions and assumed opinions.

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:29

I am narrow minded and bitter?

Gosh!!

You are ignorant

nijinsky · 11/04/2011 21:29

Thinking laterally and playing devil's advocate here, what if France had tackled the burqa issue in a different way? What if a law had been passed that all married men whose wives habitually wore the Burqua also had to wear the Burqua?

Why don't men wear the Burqa?

It really is an utterly ridiculous garment when taken to the extreme with only a tiny slit for the eyes. What is the point in wearing it?

Political statement? Oneupmanship over who is the most pious? Oppression? Fear of being seen in public when most of your life is lived indoors? Extreme body dismorphysism? Radicalisation of Islamd? Fashion trends? Avoiding over-stimulating men who cannot control themselves at the sight of uncovered flesh?

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:29

You will not admit you are not allowed!!!!!

HHLimbo · 11/04/2011 21:31

I would say Vive la France!

Freedom! Equality! Community!

(exactly the 3 things a burka makes impossible)

nailak · 11/04/2011 21:33

why are you askin me to admit somethin that is not true? lol

its like you have this idea of a muslim women but when you ask a muslim woman and you find out a reply different to what you expected you cant accept it because it doesnt meet your preconceptions!!!

Mumcentreplus · 11/04/2011 21:34

Yeah because France is the bastion of free speech and religious expression..lol

nijinsky · 11/04/2011 21:34

mama2plusbump I asked you earlier about how I would get on in my normal running gear in Egypt. I actually found the answer in the Athletics Weekly archives. There was an attempt two years ago to establish the basis of an Egyptian womens track team but the interview said they were handicapped by lack of training shoes, being abused and spat on when they trained or journeyed to training and by having to have their hair covered by headscarves when training hard on the track (you get very hot and sweaty).

I know competitive sport isn't huge in Egypt but I know the men don't face these problems.

I just can't overlook the hypocrisy. Some of the Saudi princes for example are well known for their use of prostitutes (of both sexes), drugs and so on, yet their country's enforcement of morality laws is stringent.

goodbyemrschips · 11/04/2011 21:34

Would you go for a coffee with the male friend on your own without his wife?

nailak · 11/04/2011 21:34

how does a niqaab make community impossible, i mean we have a community on mnet without even seein each others eyes and hearin voices....

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 21:34

Oh well best go away from this thread. too many liars

Goodnight

mama2plusbump · 11/04/2011 21:35

About me and dh wearing matching clothing, he mostly wears a thobe (mens version of a jilbaab/abayah) so we match altho he likes wearing white!

Mumcentreplus · 11/04/2011 21:35

You can't have it all ways..you oppress one you oppress all...you control one..you control all

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