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...to feel so angry and horrified by the Westborough Baptist Church..

111 replies

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:25

On Louis Theroux now. Follow up to previous documentary about them. Vile hatefilled bastards.

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NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:42

fudgegirl because they will use anti-discrimination laws to fight social services etc. You saw how they got the lawsuit overturned. They're all fucking lawyers.

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hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:42

I'm CofE (in an Eddie Izzard kinda way) so a heathen to many :o i'm just going by sketchy memories of stuff lol

ratspeaker · 03/04/2011 21:42

Abhorent numpties

ratspeaker · 03/04/2011 21:43

Sorry didnt mean to insult real numpties

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:43

lol ratspeaker

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TeamLemon · 03/04/2011 21:44

The idea that the Jews killed Jesus comes from the part where the roman Pontius Pilate decides Jesus has no case to answer for, but asks the crowd what to do with him. The crowd, made up mostly of Jews, shout "Crucify".

But most sane Christians would feel that Jesus died as it was the will of God and that he had to die to take on the sins of the world. Everyone can live under the grace of God because Jesus died, so no-one actually killed Jesus.

hairfullofsnakes · 03/04/2011 21:45

Louis is amazing - he has this quiet way of exposing people - not that it is hard with that vile lot

FudgeGirl · 03/04/2011 21:45

The first amendment has a lot to fucking answer for.

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:45

Thanks teamlemon.

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hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:46

Well. The dudes who nailed him to the cross did or perhaps the guys who devised that horrific manner of execution, and it was barbaric.

hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:46

(thanks though for solving the mystery!)

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:47

If you see it as anything other than a work of fiction.

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clairefromsteps · 03/04/2011 21:47

I think it's excellent car-crash TV, but I don't think Louis Theroux is covering anything new. 'Religious fanatics are offensive' - hardly groundbreaking journalism.

They are nutters, though. One of their women has just described their God as 'terrible, just and vengeful'. Why would you want to worship a deity like that? Why?

MillyR · 03/04/2011 21:48

I always find the phrase 'the Jews killed Jesus' because he was Jewish, living in a Jewish place, with Jewish disciples, a Jewish mother and so on.

It would be like saying the English killed Wat Tyler, or the Americans killed the people at WACO. If everyone involved belongs to the same ethnic group, why hilight the ethnicity of the killers rather than the killed?

TeamLemon · 03/04/2011 21:48

John 19
Jesus Sentenced to Be Crucified
1 Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. 2 The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe 3 and went up to him again and again, saying, ?Hail, king of the Jews!? And they slapped him in the face.
4 Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews gathered there, ?Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him.? 5 When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ?Here is the man!?
6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, ?Crucify! Crucify!?
But Pilate answered, ?You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him.?
7 The Jewish leaders insisted, ?We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.?
8 When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he went back inside the palace. ?Where do you come from?? he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 ?Do you refuse to speak to me?? Pilate said. ?Don?t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you??
11 Jesus answered, ?You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.?

12 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, ?If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.?
13 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge?s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.
?Here is your king,? Pilate said to the Jews.
15 But they shouted, ?Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!?
?Shall I crucify your king?? Pilate asked.
?We have no king but Caesar,? the chief priests answered.
16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.

hogsback · 03/04/2011 21:48

hardhat because they have freedom of speech in the US. The bigger question is how come so few of them have been shot? Come on Americans, exercise those 2nd amendment rights!!

hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:48

Oooh see there is some conjecture on this matter because it has been shown that elements COULD be seen to be historical fact. The bible could be merely a set of historical documents knitted together by uneducated early man who wanted explainations for phenomena we now have science to thank for an explaination :o

MillyR · 03/04/2011 21:48

Sorry, I mean, I always find the phrase bizarre.

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:49

Its nothing new, but gets me everytime. I immensely dislike religious zealots. And these lot are just vile.

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hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:50

Oh and the fact Jesus crops up in 3 (or is it 4??) of the major global religions could be proof that he did exist in some form or other at the period in history that these religions came about.

But thats that. This is about bigotted twatheads :o

Jellykat · 03/04/2011 21:50

Louis is incredible at portraying a certain niavety when interviewing, to draw them out.. He's always so clever!

TeamLemon · 03/04/2011 21:51

Sorry, don't mean to be force-feeding you scripture, but wanted to quote the source, so to speak.

This cult is just full of nutters.

hardhatdonned · 03/04/2011 21:52

Scripture is fascinating if you read it as a historical document rather than evidence of a fictional being :)

NorthernGobshite · 03/04/2011 21:52

I accept a man called Jesus existed. No problem with that at all. But thats where it ends.

But yes, this thread is about the mentalists.

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thefirstMrsDeVere · 03/04/2011 21:52

I saw on a trailer that as well as calling all dead soldiers faggots they are now saying every woman who dies of breast cancer is a punishment from God? WTF is all that about.

I mean I know they are nutters but shouldnt they make some sort of sense? I dont get their connections at all.