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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or Are DP's Parents Totally Money-Oriented

76 replies

nijinsky · 16/03/2011 15:38

First time poster, so don't flay me!

Over the last few years, basically since I gave up full-time work, I've noticed increasingly snide, disaproving comments about my employment status from DP's parents. In actual fact, I gave up work to concentrate on running our rental properties and still lecture part time in my field at university level. True, we only have 3 rental properties but they are all large multiple occupancy and I do everything, from finding tenants to drawing up the leases to repainting and cleaning them when the students move out and I change to holiday lets for the summer. Its an extremely successful business and makes about the same as my (well paid) DP does. Combining this with being a solicitor was incredibly stressful and increasingly difficult to do and I make more money running the rental properties full-time. I also usually have a renovation project on the go. It was me that paid the large deposits on all of the properties from my savings!

But this is not good enough for DP's parents. During the summer when there is no lecturing, I am subjected to comments that I am "unemployed", constantly asked what work I'm doing or if I've found a job yet (although I have explained to them many, many times that I have rental properties that I manage) and constantly subjected to little digs about how I have plenty of time on my hands. When we're visiting them, its disaproved of that I go to the gym or out running (apparantly I'm "too old" at 36 to be spending much time on sport).

I'm perplexed by their attitude and can only assume they thought their DS had hit the jackpot when he started going out with a lawyer and would prefer it if I worked full-time as well as running the properties to keep him in the standard they think he should be!

Now I know much of this is because, unlike DP's two siblings, I have not yet produced children. They seem to be getting more and more rude each time we visit. They see nothing wrong with asking me to run around after them doing errands such as visiting elderly relatives of theirs they can't be bothered with, whom I've never met, or providing them with legal advice, usually about how they can challenge their brothers and sisters over inheritances, which they never listen to. They are not the slightest bit infirm and would be fit and active (if only they ever did anything!). They are wealthy, mainly due to inheritance (a great cause of dispute in their family) and generous public sector pensions.

In short, I'm really offended and have tried to drop hints but the slightest critical tone results in "not in my house" type comments and then they walk off. I find it an unpleasant, pressurised environment. I'm really close to reaching boiling point and tearing a strip out of them, which is why I'm now avoiding them. True, we only see them a few times each year, because they live 150 miles away and seem unable to visit us (despite being offered free use of a holiday let - apparantly it wasn't the most expensive period so no good to them, and even when driving past on their way to their second house in France). They have never made an effort to visit DP here, neither have his siblings. Which is OK, because we have our own social life and good friends. Unfortunately, there are certain family occasions when my "attendance is required; no excuses will be entertained" - yes that is the way they phrase it!

So what I want to know is, AIBU in not working all hours in my qualified field because I have no children yet, mainly to please his parents and to sound more impressive? DP and I are perfectly happy with our situation, we have no financial worries, a nice house and two Mercs in the drive.

Or are DP's parents just odd? His father took very early retirement from the public sector at about 53 and never worked again, his mother worked full time as a headmistress until retirement. I went to one of the best private schools, which they have never heard of, yet am subjected to comments which suggest that I have come from a poverty stricken background and am ligging it off DP!

Its clear we are slightly unpopular in the family, because they bought DP's brother's £250,000 flat for him when he was still living at home at the age of 33 - he immediately acquired a wife and a new house with a tiny mortgage, closely followed by 2 DCs and the wife being unable to work due to disability. DP's sister works hard as a mother to two children and full-time teacher. Saying that, they don't babysit for any of their grandchildren.

They just seem to have no sense of what DP and I have achieved, with no help from anyone, in a far more difficult economic climate than they spent their working years in. How do I maintain a cordial relationship with these people?

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E320 · 16/03/2011 15:45

They are probably jealous. They sound very unpleasant indeed. Next time they ask you for legal advice, put it in writing and invoice them for itGrin

mycatoscar · 16/03/2011 15:46

FWIW it doesnt sound to me like you gave up full time work - you just started doing something different

they sound horrible, just don't see them, after all what is the worst that could happen?

also, I bet they are just as horrible to other people, not just you

Lawm01 · 16/03/2011 15:49

they obviously don't appreciate what you contribute to the household, maybe they aren't aware of the hours you put into the business and the income this realises, perhaps they view it as 'your hobby' and still see your DP as the 'man of the house'.
if they don't appreciate your workload, perhaps they think you are taking their son for a ride by 'giving up full time work'. Of course, you still put in a fair amount of work hours and both your and you DP are happy with the arrangement. It just seems as though they are a bit old fashioned in their views and as they don't have a close relationship with you, they aren't able to see that the balance works for you both.
All I can suggest is that you grit your teeth when they make a comment, or bat it back by saying that you bought in £xxx last tax year, have a fulfilling job and enjoy a happy relationship with your DP. Look them full in the eye while saying this to defy them to reply.
Probably won't stop them from commenting, but to be honest, I don't know that there's anything that you can say that will shut them up.

FollowMe · 16/03/2011 15:55

The job comments would infuriate me too.
Next time they comment on you being unemployed or ask if you've found a job yet, can you reply with 'I've got a job' 'I've been managing properties for 4 years now remember? I'm so pleased I cahnged career to get into this area, I earnt as much as DP last year and am enjoying it much more'

CheerfulYank · 16/03/2011 16:04

What followme said. Just say "of course I have a job, I manage our properties!" Which, if you're doing it properly, is a full time job!

It's none of my business, so feel free not to answer, but you say you've not "yet" produced children. Are you planning on it? Do they see being a SAHM as a "proper" job?

Ragwort · 16/03/2011 16:14

I would be seriously angry/upset if my parents treated my DH like this - what does your DP say about all of this - I think it is essential he says something to his parents immediately - otherwise this will only get worse. Or just refuse to visit them, they are clearly refusing to visit you, they can't make you visit and to say ""attendance is required; no excuses will be entertained" to a grown adult is quite ridiculous.

(Slight shock that your in-laws are my own age Grin).

Gotabookaboutit · 16/03/2011 16:19

To be honest either put up with or be rid of. Nothing in between would be workable so you and your DP need to decide which is the best for you both.

nijinsky · 16/03/2011 16:25

Done all of that. They know perfectly well what the real situation is, but choose to forget it. Any further attempts to remind them results in the "but you wouldn't have been able to without' (DP) comments and "you live a very easy life". (they think financing 3 buy to lets off your own back and doing everything yourself to save money is easy).

I used to get on well with them but I feel increasingly uncomfortable with their attitude/comments. Its got worse recently because DP's grandfater died and they asked for advice over contesting the will, and then DP's uncle died and left his father a huge whack. So they are now splashing out on holiday homes and £50,000 motorhomes and new cars, which is fine, but just made me realise just how mamon ruled their lives. I would have also thought they would have passed on a small legacy to their children, two of whom had just had new babies! (definatley nothing given).

As an outsider I can see how DP's parents have kind of held their children back a bit - they've done ok but are not one is as independent/ambitious/motivated as you might think. DP for example got 3 'A's at A level but was encouraged to stay at home and go to the local college rather than university, which has definately affected his career.

The only way to get on with them would be to subjugate myself to them somehow, but since my greatest wish is to left absolutely nothing in their damned inheritance, since I know this is always in their thoughts, I am tempted to begin to blank them!

They are not generally lookers themselves so they try to make out their DS has pulled a reasonable looker in lieu of one with a well earning job - I'm a qualified lawyer, FFS! I just don't know anyone else who is this rude! And yes, catoscar, you are right, they don't hesitate to criticise other people, even when they barely know them.

I thought I was being overly judgemental and harsh on them by feeling like this, so its interesting to hear other peoples' perspectives!

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saffy85 · 16/03/2011 16:37

What does your DP say when his parents come out with all this utter bollocks? He should be saying something whether it makes a difference or not. And yes they sound like right knobs.

nijinsky · 16/03/2011 16:42

Thats the plan Cheerful Yank but tbh I'm worrying about inherited attitudes towards things...

I think its fair to say they do not see SAHM as a proper job. I think they have doubts about DS's brother's wife, who has given up her career due to increasing eyesight problems. She sometimes says the kind of things to me about them I was beginning to think a few years ago. If thats the case, God help her because she contributed nothing financially to the house they live in and also lives in the same city as them!

Add to all of this, I am half Dutch and in Holland it is more normal for women not to work full-time before having children - well basically you do whatever makes you happy, not what makes other people happy (you can work if you like, its not sexist).

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plupedantic · 16/03/2011 17:05

Oh, there are so many holes in their arguments. For a start, DP wouldn't have been able to manage these properties without you. Your legal background is helpful in running such a business. They don't treat your legal expertise properly, either, wanting to benefit from it for nothing AND to ignore it AND to twist what "the law" should say to something in their faviour.... they should really make up their minds.

There doesn't seem to be any disadvantage in being cool to them. Even when/if you have children, they are not the best role models for young children, and it doesn't sound as though theywill have much to do with the poor mites anyway, so there is little relationship there to lose.

Sorry you are in this situation.

Rabat · 16/03/2011 17:16

YANBU

They are being incredibly rude.

I tend to get rude [well blunt and get straight to the bottom of it] back in situations like that, which I concede probably isn't the best way to go.

CheerfulYank · 16/03/2011 17:21

Damn, I just tried to post something and it didn't work.

The gist of it: While basic personality traits can be inherited, of course, I don't think that "attitudes" are something we're born with, so don't worry about that. (IMO of course! :)

Maybe you could just ignore them? Say "Oh, mmm?" and then change the subject, or else (and this is what I would do) in a private moment ask your DP why in bloody hell he isn't sticking up for you.

Dropdeadfred · 16/03/2011 17:24

i wouldnt attend any of heir 'your presence is required events' out of principle

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 16/03/2011 17:25

And you want a cordial relationship because...?

Lizcat · 16/03/2011 17:26

I suspect you will never be able to win as I have similar PIL who dislike it because I earn the majority of the money and DH does more of the childcare than me.
I limit my interaction and am incredibly polite when we do. As DH is adopted and the relationship with his parents is not great and I feel it would be wrong of me to make it worse.

Ripeberry · 16/03/2011 17:29

Tell them that lots of retired people still work these days WHY ARE YOU NOT?? Hmm
None of their business what you do for YOUR familly.
Hopfelly, when you do have children, make sure you live miles away from them!

Ripeberry · 16/03/2011 17:29

Away from the PIL that is!

Gottakeepchanging · 16/03/2011 17:30

You are very insecure about it all.....

verytellytubby · 16/03/2011 17:32

They are so rude!

Niecie · 16/03/2011 17:44

YANBU. I don't know how you should handle this though - it is so difficult because if it weren't family you could just ignore them. If it were your own family you could speak your mind but this isn't your family and for your DP's sake you can't ignore them. You are stuck between a rock and a hard place. What does your DP say? Can he explain what you do to them again for them?

If I were you I might even start getting a bit snidey and if they ask what you do all day or when you are going to get a job say something like 'I know it is difficult for the elderly to understand but this is what I do......'. Finish off with a comment like 'and it earns me £x a year which is lovely (exaggerate it if you want to).

But you have to be brave and I am not sure I would be unless I had got to breaking point!

Ciske · 16/03/2011 17:48

You know PiL are wrong about you, but, being a solicitor, you probably made the very easy mistake of assuming they can be convinced of the truth with reasonable arguments based in fact. Seeing this is not the case, your only other recourse is to stop trying to win the argument and just avoid it. Just limit conversations about your finances/job to nodding and smiling, then ask about the weather and avoid further discussion.

That way, you can hopefully retain civil relations for the sake of your partner without having to defend yourself constantly over your personal choices. It's not worth it, honestly. They probably love winding you up about it so don't take the bait anymore.

chelstonmum · 16/03/2011 17:49

If it is any comfort you are far from alone. We re-located last year for my husbands job. I gave up mine to come with him (a choice we made together) as I have always wanted my own business and now seemd as good a time as any.

We have 2 school aged children and another on the way and in the space of the past year my business has taken off quicker then we thought it could in this economic climate and is doing well. However my PIL can't understand why a well educated girl like me (their words) would be 'playing shop'. Apparently if you went to a 'top' university and 'had' a good job you should do that FOREVER!

I am happy with the decisions we made, we set up using our savings and I can mainly work from home meaning we can have another baby without the stress of finding full time childcare.

I now siply pass phone to husband when MIL ring to avoid being asked 'what were your takings like this week?' or my personal favourite 'so what have you done with all your free time this week?' AAAARRRGGGHHH, what free time!!! Angry

aokay · 16/03/2011 17:51

why bother? - cordiality suggests warmth, mutual respect etc - for whatever reasons or non-reasons, they don't like you. Whatever you do they will not like you, so - be yourself (which sounds like somoene polite and well brought up etc), but, don't try to get in their heads or play their games. If you don't want to go to their whatever's, don't go - say no - it gets easier all the time! - as for legal advce - just say it is'nt your area but you could recommend someone if they liked? Incidentally - you and dh can bask in the warm and rosey glow of your own achievements! - you do not need this toxic stuff at all.

daytoday · 16/03/2011 17:51

Hmmn? Not sure.

They obviously hold ideas that are differing to yours. But that said, you have very strong (negative) opinions about how they raised their own children, how they divvy out their inheritance etc? Is there nothing nice to be said about these people whose son you love? Are they really the one dimensional horrors you paint them as? You seem to want to control how they view you and one can only presume that seeing them a couple of times a year probably means you are not actually very close?

You judge them harshly and it sounds as though they are returning judgement on you?