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AIBU?

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Or Are DP's Parents Totally Money-Oriented

76 replies

nijinsky · 16/03/2011 15:38

First time poster, so don't flay me!

Over the last few years, basically since I gave up full-time work, I've noticed increasingly snide, disaproving comments about my employment status from DP's parents. In actual fact, I gave up work to concentrate on running our rental properties and still lecture part time in my field at university level. True, we only have 3 rental properties but they are all large multiple occupancy and I do everything, from finding tenants to drawing up the leases to repainting and cleaning them when the students move out and I change to holiday lets for the summer. Its an extremely successful business and makes about the same as my (well paid) DP does. Combining this with being a solicitor was incredibly stressful and increasingly difficult to do and I make more money running the rental properties full-time. I also usually have a renovation project on the go. It was me that paid the large deposits on all of the properties from my savings!

But this is not good enough for DP's parents. During the summer when there is no lecturing, I am subjected to comments that I am "unemployed", constantly asked what work I'm doing or if I've found a job yet (although I have explained to them many, many times that I have rental properties that I manage) and constantly subjected to little digs about how I have plenty of time on my hands. When we're visiting them, its disaproved of that I go to the gym or out running (apparantly I'm "too old" at 36 to be spending much time on sport).

I'm perplexed by their attitude and can only assume they thought their DS had hit the jackpot when he started going out with a lawyer and would prefer it if I worked full-time as well as running the properties to keep him in the standard they think he should be!

Now I know much of this is because, unlike DP's two siblings, I have not yet produced children. They seem to be getting more and more rude each time we visit. They see nothing wrong with asking me to run around after them doing errands such as visiting elderly relatives of theirs they can't be bothered with, whom I've never met, or providing them with legal advice, usually about how they can challenge their brothers and sisters over inheritances, which they never listen to. They are not the slightest bit infirm and would be fit and active (if only they ever did anything!). They are wealthy, mainly due to inheritance (a great cause of dispute in their family) and generous public sector pensions.

In short, I'm really offended and have tried to drop hints but the slightest critical tone results in "not in my house" type comments and then they walk off. I find it an unpleasant, pressurised environment. I'm really close to reaching boiling point and tearing a strip out of them, which is why I'm now avoiding them. True, we only see them a few times each year, because they live 150 miles away and seem unable to visit us (despite being offered free use of a holiday let - apparantly it wasn't the most expensive period so no good to them, and even when driving past on their way to their second house in France). They have never made an effort to visit DP here, neither have his siblings. Which is OK, because we have our own social life and good friends. Unfortunately, there are certain family occasions when my "attendance is required; no excuses will be entertained" - yes that is the way they phrase it!

So what I want to know is, AIBU in not working all hours in my qualified field because I have no children yet, mainly to please his parents and to sound more impressive? DP and I are perfectly happy with our situation, we have no financial worries, a nice house and two Mercs in the drive.

Or are DP's parents just odd? His father took very early retirement from the public sector at about 53 and never worked again, his mother worked full time as a headmistress until retirement. I went to one of the best private schools, which they have never heard of, yet am subjected to comments which suggest that I have come from a poverty stricken background and am ligging it off DP!

Its clear we are slightly unpopular in the family, because they bought DP's brother's £250,000 flat for him when he was still living at home at the age of 33 - he immediately acquired a wife and a new house with a tiny mortgage, closely followed by 2 DCs and the wife being unable to work due to disability. DP's sister works hard as a mother to two children and full-time teacher. Saying that, they don't babysit for any of their grandchildren.

They just seem to have no sense of what DP and I have achieved, with no help from anyone, in a far more difficult economic climate than they spent their working years in. How do I maintain a cordial relationship with these people?

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Oblomov · 16/03/2011 22:26

Interesting about questions about your dh. thought thta when I fist read it.
is he some sort of sap, who won't stand up for you ?
are where exactly is your spine ? why don't you say to mil, ( who you only see twice a year, so hardly that intrusive)
" as a highly inteliigent woman, qualified solicitor, i chose house thingb/c it fit with me, etc etc, lucrative, so if don't mind stop commenting on it" type thing. not overtly rude, tell hers the truth.

why don't youy say such a thing ?

skybluepearl · 16/03/2011 22:45

I think you should try the 'but i earn so much more than DH looking after the properties'

alternativly you could use humour - just take the piss. If they ask have you seen any jobs you could reply with 'yes i saw a vacancy for a stripper yesterday'

or don't see them and let your Dh explain.

Ragwort · 17/03/2011 07:42

I think your DP is more of the issue really - WHY won't he stand up for you; he is pretty spineless if he won't confront his parents over this issue. I am quite sure my parents don't like my DH much (& he doesn't like them much either Grin) but both sides are unfailingly polite and courteous to each other as they know that I am 'stuck in the middle' - I tend to see my parents on my own with DS most of the time (we don't live that near each other so it is not an issue) but occasionally we all get together and everyone gets on well enough.

Is your DP very young? You seriously need to think whether you want to stay with a man like this; imagine what things would be like (if) you had children together?

As an intelligent, educated woman I am very suprised that you are prepared to put up with this.

Bubbaluv · 17/03/2011 07:59

I get on really well with my inlaws now, but earlier in the relationship my FIL used to be really quite rude to me and my Dh (who hates confrontations) used to just let me ride it out on my own.
Anyway, eventually I just said that next time they said something rude to me I would just be totally silent and look at him (DH) until he stuck up for me. I said I would give him one long uncomfortable minute to grow a pair or I would walk out the door and never see his parents again.
Lo and behold he grew a pair, told his Dad off in spectacular form and things have gotten steadily friendlier ever since.

Xenia · 17/03/2011 08:38

You're not married and have no children? Are the properties in your name or jointly with the boyfriend?

FruStefanLindman · 17/03/2011 08:45

So, basically, when you visit them they're only nice(ish) to you when they want free legal advice, otherwise they spend their time being rude to you? If I were you, I'd tell your DP that you have no intention of going on a 300 mile round journey - three-line-whip or not - just to be insulted or tapped for free advice, he can go by himself.

You say you want to maintain Confused a cordial relationship with them, but that's never going to happen until they realise they can't browbeat you any longer, and your refusal to dance to their tune is the first step (although your DP should have stood up for you years ago).

lesley33 · 17/03/2011 08:46

YABU obviously.
After reading the whole thread it is pretty obvious that whatever you say your in laws are not going to change. If I was you I would either:

a. Not go and let OH explain why not. Its not even as if they have GC to see.
b. Go but not listen - totally switch off and just smile all the time. I'm good at doing this with FIL, who isn't rude but will spend an hour telling you a boring story about people I have never met.
c. Laugh/smile at everything they say. Interjected with comments such as - you do have some funny ideas. I wouldn't normally avoid being rude to anyone, but I really wouldn't worry with these people. If you are able to, you could actually have fun with this option.

But if you know you will get annoyed or upset so b and c aren't an option, then just don't go. OH may be upset, but I think it is unraesonable to expect you to go and put up with this ytreatment.

lesley33 · 17/03/2011 08:47

Sorry meant YANBU!

Strawbezza · 17/03/2011 09:10

YANBU. They sound awful. As has already been mentioned, your completely valid reasons for running your business/doing sport/leaving their house at a certain time etc. just won't cut any ice with them, because they are being totally Unreasonable. So all you can do is close down the argument with something like "We'll have to agree to disagree on that point". It sounds like they love to pick fault and belittle you, so don't rise to the bait, don't attempt to justify yourself, just state the bare minimum and move on.

Them "Why don't you get a proper job"
You "I've got one, looking after my rentals"
Them "That's not a proper job"
You "We'll have to agree to disagree on that point"
Them "But it isn't a proper job"
You "We'll have to agree to disagree on that point"

Etc, etc, etc.

ensure · 17/03/2011 09:18

Well, from reading this I see you are considered "a looker"; you can earn 1500 pounds for 12 hours work. You have a fantastic work-life balance in a job you love, and you and your successful partner both enjoy your posh cars.

Why on earth do you care what anyone else thinks?! If I was you I would spend my free time basking in my own wonderfulness rather than worrying about what a couple of people thought who I only saw 3 times a year.

I'm not being funny (although I see that what I have written could appear sarcastic), I'm serious! Tell yourself that these people don't matter.

And move further away before you do have children if possible. Then you will only be able to visit once a year!

Bubbaluv · 17/03/2011 09:32

Can you say "Yes, I have a job in real estate/asset management and I earn $$$. Isn't that great!"

Same thing as you've always said but framed in a way that might shut them up a bit?

nijinsky · 17/03/2011 10:14

Oh, DP and I have had words about how he should stand up for me. All I can say is that he really doesn't like confrontation and is so familiar with their comments/behaviour during his upbringing that it has now become a habit. But I agree it is spineless. Obviously though he has plenty of good points that make up for this. We just get on. The relationship works. But if anyone can find me the perfect man, with no faults, I'd be intrigued!

But I don't doubt that if he would say even a few sharp words of rebuke, they would stop immediately. So my response, and I agree with the majority on here, will be to stop going. No-one in my family would be so rude to a guest, or put them in such an uncomfortable position, and I'm quite flummoxed by it. I kind of feel that people should know how to behave reasonably and politely, and I don't really want to be involved in a slanging match. Hence I won't get into that situation again.

Its as if they are like that to keep me in my place, which seems to be that of a second class citizen in their house. I do believe I am meant to know that I am not family, I come second to DP and I'm sure all this rudeness is something to do with that. I find it really strange. Both of my parents are dead, my mother recently, and its just a horrible, isolated feeling.

As for standing up to them, I have done so as far as I can without creating a huge slanging match/conflagration.

So I will not be visiting in future, due to the way they behave. Any emails in demanding tones will be ignored, politer ones will be responsed to with an "I'm sorry, but I already have something planned that weekend". If he wants this to change, he will have to convince me he will stop their being rude to me by standing up to them.

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ineedagoodsolicitor · 17/03/2011 10:43

Soooo, you do actually work part-time but because it pays better than your partner's line of work that is acceptable to you but not to them.

If your partner got a job paying the same money for the same part-time hours do you think they would consider him lazy or such a smart ds to be doing so well.

Yes, they seem to be driven by money/status, particularly your MIL. Do you suppose that she resented her dh retiring at 53 whilst she worked on until retirement age.

Do you plan to have any dc ? It will be very useful to have a ready made part-time job to combine with being a mum but could be quite stressful too. However if you do gon on to have dc the PIL may mellow a bit, until then I think even I might be able to restrain myself for a few visits a year, whilst inwardly thinking evil thoughts about them when they are being particularly rude.

chandellina · 17/03/2011 10:49

they sound so unpleasant and just don't seem to care about having a cordial relationship with their children's partners. what a shame. they will ultimately be the losers because in that situation i think it is pretty firmly established that if/when the breaking point comes, the child's loyalty lies with the partner.

I normally think it's important to maintain good relations with family but it sounds like your tactic of avoiding them until DP addresses the issue is a good one.

It could create short term discomfort but hopefully it will prompt a turning point.

nijinsky · 17/03/2011 11:03

ineedagoodsolicitor (gulp!) - all of this is provide a good foundation to have dc. But I seem to be putting it off...realise I need to get a move on if its going to happen. Would be happy enough with one.

I don't for a moment think they would be nasty to any dcs, but I wouldn't want any dc to hear them being rude to me in front of DP.

If DP got a part-time job paying the same as now, they wouldn't criticise him at all. Not in the slightest. But they might pressurise me more to go back to f/t work!

And if you ask me, the mother does have a lot of pent up resentment at the father for retiring so early and never lifting a finger again, and compensates for it by telling every other woman they should do the same!

Chandelina - DP will always back me when it comes down to it. He just tries to avoid confrontation with them because its only for a few days. But I'e now decided not to put myself in this scenario again.

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HipHopopotomus · 17/03/2011 11:05

they sound like jealous, nasty, overpriviledged, over concerned people. So they are you inlaws, but seriously why do you give a shit what they think???

Minimise contact with them. If your DH won't stick up for you, tell him he can go on his own to visit them. If he really wants you to spend time there, you need to know he's got your back.

ineedagoodsolicitor · 17/03/2011 11:07

nijinsky don't worry I've a separate thread running about divorce related issues, hence my user name for confidentiality purposes at the moment.

AlpinePony · 17/03/2011 11:22

YABU to care what they think. You clearly have a busy and fulfilling life and I can't believe you're wasting your precious time worrying about such fripperies.

Fuck 'em, fuck 'em all! Grin

Bramshott · 17/03/2011 11:27

I suspect they rather liked the cuedos of being able to say "of course our DS's DP is a lawyer you know"! Grin

lovenamechange100 · 17/03/2011 11:36

They sound awful, materialistic and money driven, rude and have no right to tell you or hint at how you should be living. It is so wrong these people are affecting you like this when they live so far away and you only see them a few times a year.

What does your DH say, does he know how you feel?

plupedantic · 17/03/2011 16:17

As for the insistence on your attendance, there is always the "property emergency call-out"...

As for their "yes, I did [mean to sound so rude], and its warranted", could you tell them they have libelled you and your business, threaten them a bit, have a bit of fun? It might start a fight, but if you're spoiling for it, it's a good start, and so frivolous that you can step back from it easily enough...

Have a bit of fun at their expense? Please?

mateysmum · 17/03/2011 16:49

They sound pretty sad,controlling and narrow minded to me.Having worked in the public/education sector, they probably have no idea about how business works and that if you don't go into the office from 9-5 how can it be a proper job?

They still seem to treat their offspring and you as children who MUST OBEY. Wouldn't be surprised if DP was scared of them as a child and that is why he is now afraid of confrontation.

Reality is they're never going to change, so you and DP are either going to have to a) avoid them or if that's not possible b) suck it up for a few days or c)accept that a showdown of some kind is inevitable and be prepared to live with the consequences.

Don't envy you.

nijinsky · 17/03/2011 16:54

LOL. My mother would have described them as "jumped up nothings"! Their values are slightly off, aren't they?

I am tempted to visit them again, let them work up to their usual standard of rudeness and then stare at them silently for a couple of minutes, before driving off, never to return...

I did have an actual property emergency call out one Christmas, and I was expected to drive back 150 miles afterwards. I didn't, and this was always brought up afterwards.

LOL it was even suggested by them last time that "because I had plenty of spare time on my hands" I could help with repainting and tiling their house for them!

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NoTimeToWaste · 17/03/2011 17:30

"How do I maintain a cordial relationship with these people?"

Simple answer - don't even try.

Why do people make allowances for incredible rudeness from family that they would never, ever take from anyone else?

You're a grown, professional, successful woman. Don't take this sort of garbage from them. They sound like oafish bullies, so stand up to them if your DH won't.

As for "attendance is required; no excuses will be entertained" what a load of tosh!! What are they going to do? Kidnap you and force you to go? Idiots

300 mile round trip in a Merc? The price of petrol alone is a good enough reason to stop going!! Grin

tigitigi · 17/03/2011 18:23

I would just agree with everything they say - it will really take the wind out of their sails so
"yes that is right, I am freeloading off your son doing nothing, enjoying the good life"
or "it is great being unemployed - your son does all the hard work" or
"yes the mercs were all your DPs hard work, to be honest I contribute nothing, I really fell on my feet with him" Really whatever they say.

Make sure your DH knows what you are doing in advance though!