To think breast fed babies are more intellegent

[thecatamongthepidgeons]

Because their parents tend to be more intellegent not because they were breast fed?
More intellegent parents are more likely to choose to breast feed regardless of any dificulties they face if they think it will benefit their children.

runaway I wholeheartedly agree. It pisses me off, and is so unsupportive of women who cannot BF. I was unable to BF and attitudes like this contributed to PND.

runawaywife well said. I couldn't BF as I was too damn sick from a negligent Dr nearly killing me. DS is rather bright and was fed on formula.

I felt ashamed feeding my DS due to the BF police, infact when we were out I used to always get my DH to do it if he was with me. I shouldn't have felt like that as it wasn't my fault.

When DS1 started Reception class age 4 he could read write and do long division, at 4 and a half he was doing tests meant for 8 year olds by 5 he had the reading ability of a 10 year old and the spelling ability of the same.

I think it is nasty and spiteful to go on and on about the failings of mothers who do not breast feed as being a good mother has very little to do with weather you gave your child formula of not

i love the way the 'fuck offs' always come out on threads like these and they are rarely, if ever, those trying to argue on the same side as every major medical organisation there is.

so i will say right back at you. all those spouting the my baby was ff and has a IQ of 3000 and 'breastfeeding is inconsequential' you fuck off. that is from every baby who has suffered in hospital with various illnesses because they were formula fed. that is from every baby who was ever denied the bonding experience from breastfeeding by the society that failed their mother. that 'fuck off' is from the baby on the right

breastfeeding is the normal way to feed an infant. anything else is substandard. artificial milk - 'artificial' its not even milk ffs! its artificial milk.

bring it on if you want to have a go. do it. but don't expect me to pussyfoot around this bloody subject anymore. its ridiculous. and to spread the word that actually ff is fine is obviously only vindicating your decision, if in fact it was a decision, is ignorant, naive, and not just a little bit irresponsible. every woman, whether ffing or bfing should be encouraging and supporting every other woman, whether friend, colleague, daughter or granddaughter, to feed their babies breastmilk from them. it is the right thing to do. it is a baby's right to be breastfed, and to say otherwise is utterly ridiculous.

The child, offered the mother's breast,
Will not in the beginning grab it;
But soon it clings to it with zest.
And thus at wisdom's copious breasts
You'll drink each day with greater zest.
~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

It is a great shame that lots of women don't reach this stage.

So your a wonderful mother if you breast feed
You can leave your child in a filthy nappy, screaming in their cot but as long as you nurse them yourself than you are wonderful

I knew someone who was a terrible mother totally useless and should not have had a pot plant let alone a child but she nursed and so I guess that make her wonderful

"it is a baby's right to be breastfed"

And who exactly is going to breastfeed the baby if the mother is unable to do so?

The first time I spent any time in hospital was when I had my son.

The first time I was ever in hospital for a non-childbirth reason was several operations because of a juicy abscess from the holy church of breastfeeding.

I'll leave you to guess how I was fed as a baby.

I have never heard anyone judge those who are not able to breastfeed on MN, I have only ever seen support. Some may judge those who choose not to, I agree.

Ruby you're being bloody offensive. Listen carefully.....NOT EVRY WOMAN CAN BF AND THESE THREADSD ARE UPSETTING AND OFFENSIVE TO THOSE WHO CAN'T.

Now you fuck off.

ruby there was so much vitriol in your post with no room for the many mothers who would have loved to breast feed but could not. Or for the many dads left holding the baby as the mother was no longer in the picture.

Just so you know, I fully support BF and will was lyrical about it to anyone who will listen and encourage all my pregnant friends, but your militancy is so rigid and so lacking in compassion. Wheres your sisterly support?

I have never ever said that Breast feeding was not more beneficial for many reasons HOWEVER not everyone can do it and the people that go out of their was to judge or make someone feel bad about using formula is nothing more then a bitch TBH.

I do not think only breast fed children are more intelligent, I do not think Breast feeding mothers are better then non breast feeding ones.

I bottle fed both my children and God help anyone who had dared to judge or criticise me for doing so.
I have two lovely healthy smart sons (thank God) DS1 is a strapping 14 year old and DS2 is sports mad, they came to no harm being bottle fed.

Not everyone can breast feed and I am sick of nasty people bleating on and on at those who don't, as I say no one ever dared to take me on over it and I would have happily told them to fuck off with a cheery smile if they had.

There really is no need to be nasty or feel superior because you could suckle you young. As I said it does not make you a better parent

oh here we go, obviously there is the odd situation where a breastfeeding mother is neglectful, or someone has real trouble breastfeeding, or tubular hypoplasty wotsit which actually prevents the mother from having a full supply. but mothers should be supported to breastfeed. breastfeeding should be the normal, expected thing to do. babies should be protected from the risks of ffing, however 'tiny' MilaMae, and those in power should do more to ensure this.

having a view that breastfeeding is inconsequential in light of the screamingly obvious fact that it is human milk for a human baby apart from the rest of the literature, is utterly ridiculous and makes me suspicious about the woman who is spouting such shite. it also makes me a little as you can probably tell as it is totally irresponsible when you look at the damage arifical milk has caused countless babies around the globe, not just in our safe, comfortable, no natural disasters, little britain.

Raises Nazi salute to RUBY

perhaps ruby you could concentrate on offering support to those who need it rather than to cst your judgements aroundin such an unpleasant superior tone.

I am astounded that anyone took this thread seriously. OP is called thecatamongthepidgeons. isn't that the same as someone starting a thread about SAHM v WOHM (or any divisive issue) and calling themselves 'ilikewindingmumsup'?

Its not the thread, its the usual BF police that piss me off.

ruby Not everyone can BF and saying to those women that the care they gave their child is substandard is hurtful and not very helpful or supportive. I could not BF and was in ITU and I felt so bad about this, due to pressure from BF police arseholes like you, that my DH stayed by my side for 12 days with an expressing machine attached to my breasts to try and get my milk going. I was so sick I couldn't even hold the machine or even keep awake while DH, at my request, held the machine on. My DS kept getting put on my breast and screaming and pushing away because he wasn't getting any milk. I was in pain, a lot of pain and I still kept trying. My milk never came in. My DS was therefore FF it was either that or he would have died from starvation. So you fuck right off and don't you ever say that the care I gave my DS by FF was substandard

ruby if you tell me you are a BF peer supporter i will laugh my socks off!

"oh here we go..." well you had no room to mention the many individuals who can not Bfeed. It would have been wise to do so, no?

I think mothers are supported and encouraged to BF. I know I was. In my Post natal group of 11, 11 BF, 4 of us extend Bf. I think it is part of the agenda for MW and HV, at least it is here.

Anecdotally there will be plenty of positive FF/BF stories, however the research is there and published that at population level BF is better. Better for IQ, better for health in infancy and adulthood, better. At population level. Of course thousands of FF children will have the same outcomes, but it will not be linked to what they were fed in infancy IYSWIM?

I feel very strongly that the support women are given is better and as a whole country our BF rates need to rise, but there is no way i would not give the respect and to a mother who had made an informed choice (or not if there are medical issues) to FF.

Yay my first ever at Ruby

I would love to comment but the words I wish to say are really very inappropriate and are probably wasted on such a narrow minded, sanctimonious, ignorant and ill conceived person.

What a truely awful post Ruby.

As I said before no other aspect of parenting gets this amount of horrendous scaremongering and just plain nasty,bullying posts written about it. It's just awful.

We're talking about babies in this country.If any mother wants to formula feed in this country she can do as she damn well pleases, her baby will thrive if it's prepared safely.

Babies bond exactly the same however they're fed. I've done both and if you want to split hairs I'd say bonding when ff is waaaaay easier for a lot of women.

I just don't get this obsession.As a nation we'll happily stand by and watch an epidemic of obesity which shortens life with very little comment yet on the subject of something as inconsequential as bf is to most babies it's daggers drawn at dawn.

Truely baffling.

i would like to say that i don't equate substandard milk with substandard mothering, obviously. i agree that the bit about the substandardness was below the belt and insensitive. not to mention unnecessary and rude. i apologise.

thanks for my first ever

the rest of my comments i stand by and i think i am right to get angry on behalf of babies everywhere for the raw deal they are given when it is not really necessary.

Mila, most of my rant was directed at you for irresponsibly saying that breastfeeding is inconsequential which is utter trite.

"Raw deal" . Do you know what you really haven't a clue if you think the worst "raw deal" a child can suffer is to be formula fed.