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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to take 6month DD to Baby Ballet?

551 replies

MillieMoosMummy · 09/03/2011 20:13

My DD is actually 5 months but baby ballet starts at 6 months (anyone have any experience of this??)

My MIL basically told me I shouldn't, in front of all of DH's family. She thinks DD 'Does enough already!'

I felt like she was implying that DD isn't having a good time, or that I'm not thinking of her, but I swear she likes her actvities.

At swimming lessons she smiles and splashes, at Gymboree she actually laughs and giggles.

We also do Catapillar music and go to rhyme time at the library.

In four weeks we are starting 'Gymbabes' at Tumbletots.

I tried P & T groups but found them really cliquey.

I'm quite upset about MIL saying this and really enjoy DD's activities.

AIBU? Is she right?

OP posts:
GColdtimer · 11/03/2011 04:01

Lordy, is this still going on. Shock I think op has had a hard time here, not surprised she became defensive. And to suggest that she would have got a different response if she'd had a different name? Well that is just MN smuggery at it's worst. Sorry the whole "you have a crap name/you posted in aibu so you deserve what you" attitude shows mn at it's worst I think.

Perhaps I am just grumpy tho because I have been up for two hours with teething dd2.

MMM I do think you should stick around.

Blatherskite · 11/03/2011 08:15

My guess would be that MillieMoosMummy namechanged to MillyMoosMummy for another thread for fear of someone following her cross the board and shouting the odds there too and then didn't realise that she would have to namechange back again to be MillieMoosMummy on this thread again...?

Funny thing is though, my Twitter name is the same as my MN name and "Baby Ballet" is now following me on Twitter! Curioser and curioser.... Confused

Stick around MMM. You've had some mixed responses on this thread but some of it has been positive. AIBU is a tricky beast and I've seen bunfights explode out of the most mundane of conversations. MN is being very weird at the moment too. Maybe it's the lunar stuff that's going on at the moment? We'll all be howling at the moon by Saturday Grin

Merlotmonster · 11/03/2011 08:33

It was only a comment from your MIL....dont see why you should really care too much about it. you seem happy with what you do so carry on....

TandB · 11/03/2011 08:37

OP - I think you have had a bit of a hard time on this thread, but you have been a bit silly in some of your responses. There is nothing that gets MNers' collective backs up quicker than a pretty overwhelming consensus that someone IBU followed by a flurry of defensive explanation with a sub-text of "this is the best way to parent". You may not have meant that initially but you certainly retreated to the moral high ground - when I read that post I resisted the urge to put a helmet on and climb under my desk - the response has actually been pretty mild!

If you are certain you are in the right, and not of a mindset to budge an inch on that point, AIBU is a bit of a waste of time and will just lead to threads like this and lots of flouncing. If you are certain in your own mind that you are in the right, don't ask for opinions! If you want support/a rant there are other sections.

Having said that, I think some other posters' comments have left a little to be desired - there are some things that the OP certainly should have been challenged on - the comments to Pigletmania (and by the way OP - I'm not going to apologise, she asked for it, and anyway I sort of did - really? You thought that post was a good idea?) for example. But her posting name - it's a bit twee - so what?

The thing is, I suspect deep down that the OP knows perfectly well that baby ballet is one of the daftest ideas ever to come out of daftsville, but she wants to do it as she will meet nice people and they can all sit and get gushy over their cute babies in tutus. Not my thing - it makes me want to giggle a lot - but it's not harming anyone.

cobbledtogether · 11/03/2011 08:55

I'm firmly on the moral high ground (and the child rearing highground for that matter)

Favourite. Line. Ever.
Am saving this thread to read whenever I'm feeling a bit down. Thanks everso Milly/MillieMoosMummy.

Grin
wolfhound · 11/03/2011 08:58

I took DS1 to babyballet when he was a baby (prob a bit older than 6 mths, but less than 1 yr) - also to many other activities (baby sign, swimming a bit later on, NCT baby & toddler meet ups etc. etc. ) I met up with quite a few other mums on the various activities so i enjoyed it, and he seemed to enjoy it too (in the same way he enjoyed everything we did together). The activities for babies were all much the same in all the classes - music, singing, clapping, toys etc. It was fun, and perfectly harmless, so OP go right ahead if you want to! Btw, I have 2 DCs now and still do lots of activities - they have an activity 4 mornings a week (including pre-school twice for DC1) - it just gives our days a structure, they enjoy them a lot, and I can see absolutely nothing wrong with it! Nothing wrong with not doing that either. My mum, like your MIL, thought baby classes were a waste of time- till she started taking DCs to some of them, and now she loves them too! Enjoy :)

Toplistmaker · 11/03/2011 10:37

What otchayaniye said!

KnittedBreast · 11/03/2011 11:03

ballet for babies to young to stand is ridiculous. that is all.

DandyLioness · 11/03/2011 11:08

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

microfight · 11/03/2011 11:29

Off topic but how on earth do you know if someone searched for you on here? Genuine question

Blatherskite · 11/03/2011 13:07

She knows because further up the thread, she read:

"Just done a search

millie just today/yesterday
milly just today

Why namechange for a topic like this or are they just new or a troll?"

I'm guessing....Wink

microfight · 11/03/2011 13:11

Thanks Blatherskite skim read.

StayFrosty · 11/03/2011 13:50

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

otchayaniye · 11/03/2011 14:51

I would say having now read the complete thread that the OP sounds very keen for exogenous recognition of her superior parenting. Otherwise why get so needled by a throwaway comment from a MIL.

My mother makes digs about my liberal parenting and my MIL thinks I am weird to bfeed an over two year old, but none of this bothers me in the slightest. I only really care about the opinions of my husband and my child.

also when I think of superior parents I think:

Devoted to creating the closest lifelong attachment

Accepting deep down who their children really are

Skillfully, sensitively and intelligently negotiating real challenges, from SEN or illness, to really damaging issues such as bullying or more-than-the-usual teenage rebellion

etc.

The idea that something considers themselves a paragon of parenting for going to a few classes and getting an easy temperament baby to sleep through the night (luck and the baby's temperament, not demand feeding or else sleep training) is so risible I've come to the conclusion the OP must be trolling, or else deluded.

That said, nothing in the OP's OP suggested anything over-the-top (although she got ridiculous later on) and people should think twice before being quite so scornful.

Baby ballet may be deeply naff and very very pointless but hey, I've done stupid pfb stuff myself and hold my hand up to it!

IcingOnTheCakes · 11/03/2011 18:59

I have read the thread through from the beginning now (before i had read the op and a alot of the last posts) and i can see how Millie is being portraid as smug.

Millie I can see your comments as being defensive, which is understandable when you have people coming at you from all ways. We have all been there.

However, reading things like this;

"I'm sure at gymboree recently they were talking about a study where these types of classes are really really amazing for speech, development, bonding, communication, socialisation etc."

Makes me think that purhaps you are doing these classes for more reasons other then just to have fun.

All babies develope differently and won't develope any quicker whether you do 1 class or 20. I know this because i have two very different children and none of my parenting has been any different. They will do what they are going to do at their pace.

My dd didn't crawl until she was 11 months and no amount of encouragement was going to change this. My ds crawled at 7 months - because that is how he is. He was never going to sit still for long, he just wanted to be off!

My dd couldn't say a word at her 2 year check (but could understand everything you said to her) yet my ds started talking at 18 months and could talk full sentances by 20 months. It is great to encourage them of course, by they will do it when they do it.

My ds didn't speak early because i took him to classes or sat there all day trying to teach him - he is just the kind of child that picks up things and remembers them very easily. When other parents comment on his speach, i cannot sit there and say it was because i am a fabulous parent, i just say he picked it up quickly.

The fact that your 5 month old baby rarely cries is neither here nor there. You are just very lucky to have a baby with a good temperment. It's hard to say this without it being interperated that i am saying you are a bad parent - you are clearly not, you sound like a great parent. But sadly she you seem to be under the impression that your baby rarely cries and sleeps through the night etc is because of something you have done as a parent. It is not. Your baby is just natrually good in temperment.

My dd was an awkward baby not a very settled as a baby (although she did start sleeping through at 10 weeksSmile) and still is awkward still is quite a handful. My ds though, well he could have been described as the "perfect baby," although being second time around i knew it wasn't because i was being a perfect mum, i knew it was because he was just a contented baby with a quiet, laid back temperment. My dd and my ds are the complete opposite, yet my parenting has been consistant throughout - they are just very different children with different temperments.

"At only 5 months, my DD will sit in her bouncy chair and 'amuse herself' while I cook / chat with DH / have a glass of wine / watch tv / talk on the phone. She is very content."

"She also sleeps 12 - 13 hours a night and is called 'The Perfect Baby' by all my friends and relatives who observe how well behaved she is."

Again, you sound like a good mum but try not to be fooled that your dd is like this because of anything extra you may have done as a parent. Your dd would more then likely have been like this anyway.

At 5 months my ds very rarely cried and could sit up on his own and would entertain himself so to speak. My dd at 5 months couldn't sit on her own and wanted constant attention. I didn't do anything different either times yet had two very different babies.

Mums with uncontented babies haven't done anything less then you have, they just have babies who are naturally different in temperment then yours. No one is a better mum either way, one just got lucky.

I also think you haven't really given the p&t groups a chance. I know you said you have been but it could have only been a short time if your dd is only months. Some groups are better then others of course but you have to stick it out if you want to go to them. That way your face gets know and you start getting past the first awkward "Hello, how old is your dd" questions.

I am sorry if i sound harsh Millie and i can see from the thread that alot of your answers were defensive. But on the other hand i am one of those mums who has sort of been there and bought the t-shirt when it comes to under 5s. I have been through the classics such a fussy eater (at one point my dd wouldn't eat any veg at all) to toddler tantrums and beyond. I have had a newborn and a terrible toddler at the same time to look after, delt with ill child(ren) and been through potty training. At the moment my ds has gone from being a lovely quiet, contented little boy to a horrible two year old, where he tantrums over just about everything. I know from my dd that it is just a faze but you would be amazed at how they can go from lovely child to horrible child for a period of time and then (hopefully) back again. Mums who sigh at certain baby activities and situations usually do so because they are slightly more cynicle experienced and have been there.

Then i come on mn and read about a mum who wants to come across as "parent of the year" because she was blessed with an easy baby and hasn't even scratched the surface yet when it comes to parenting. I know you haven't said you want or think you are parent of the year, but you seem to be coming across that way.

worraliberty · 11/03/2011 19:05

Is this a competition to see who can make the longest post? Grin

[fails miserably]

IcingOnTheCakes · 11/03/2011 19:30

Yes my post was rather longBlushGrin

MillyMoosMummy · 11/03/2011 19:31

IcingOnTheCakes - those things I wrote were in answer to the idea that all these classes or her schedule were in some way damaging. I was just trying to point out that she doesn't seem 'damaged' by any of it, and that she's very content.

The 'at only 5 months....' bit was in response to someone saying that she would never be able to amuse herself and that I was making a rid for my own back.

I know that I'm lucky with her... And I certainly don't think she's like that because of anything I've done, actually, if you read the whole thread I think what I said was something like 'im not doing her any harm' which was all I was really trying to say.

I didn't come on here to be smug / up myself or anything else I've been called. I was upset by my mother in law very uncharacteristically questioning my choices for DD. I wanted to see if I was wrong, and got a lot of responses that I was happy to get. Only when it became ridiculous and seemingly about money / class? / something else did I start to become defensive.

Without even reading the thread people said I was doing too much (3 hours a week) but others suggested I go to rhyme time at my local library as 'it is free' (we do!) or that I try my local surestart centre. This makes me think that the fact I pay for classes has got peoples backs up, rather than the fact I take her to quite a few.

I also had comments about my DD 'never finishing school' etc that were hurtful. Which is, again, why I became defensive.

In terms of mother & toddler groups, I have been to three, and aside from the cliquey-ness, and feeling uncomfortable, I just didn't look forward to it and felt that there wasn't really anything there to stimulate DD. I'm sure they'll be great when she's a bit older but while I was there I actually ended up just giving her a toy I already had in my bag and sitting by myself. In stark contrast to the people I go with, talk to when there, and the joy DD seems to find in the activities we do.

I certainly don't think I'm parent of the year, and only tried to write spiteful things at the end last night because I was so shocked and hurt by the total disrespect, bitchiness and downright cruelty by some of the posters.
This is why I wrote about being on the 'highground' because I just couldn't believe that people who are mothers spend their time aggressively arguing the point of someone they don't even know going to a few activities?? And sinking to the levels they did.

A great deal of people gave me excellent responses, wether they agreed or not.

IcingOnTheCakes · 11/03/2011 19:46

I know what your saying Millie, i really do. I really didn't want to come across in my own (long) post as being patronising or wanting to call you a bad mum. I can clearly see your doing your best and you love your dd and tbh, except the classes, i was where you are 4 years ago when my dd was 5 months.

As for the bitchiness and rudeness, well, that is mn sometimes and when your not used to it, you can be very Shock by it!

I realise some peoples comments were hurtful (if you stick on mn you will get a thicker skinWink) but i feel i must point out that whilst i am sure you are right in some cases, the poster you accused of lying about a disabilty may have actually had that disabilty and been hurt by your comments? Can you see where i am coming from? Sometimes you just have to think these things without actually saying it because you don't know who your talking to on mn and whilst some may lie, others don't.

Mn can be a fun place, a sad place, it can get on your nerves and make you irate. Some love it and some hate it.

You have just had your first "flaming" - welcome to mn!Smile

FattyArbuckel · 11/03/2011 19:47

YAB somewhat impatient

BoysAreLikeDogs · 11/03/2011 19:51

so

you were spiteful in return

point made, I think

MerryMarigold · 11/03/2011 20:00

I think, Millie, that you were much ruder to me than I was to you...maybe you were already in a bad mood, but I didn't feel like I really deserved your vitriol. I'm not cross about it, because that is MN, and I don't know you. It did make me doubt your realness, because it seemed a bit extreme, but your last post has convinced me again that you are genuine.

working9while5 · 11/03/2011 20:19

Right, I've read up to page 13 but can go on no longer without contributing my tuppence worth.

My name is working9while5 and I was a compulsive class-goer Blush

Baby massage (twice).
Rhyme Time at library.
Gymboree.
Baby Sensory.
Bumps'n'babes at the Children's Centre.

Trialled: JoJingles, MusicBugs, Rhythmtime and probably some others I can't remember.

I didn't do it for my baby's development. I am a Speech and Language Therapist and I was fairly certain that he didn't need very much of it.

However, looking back, he was a very awkward sensitive baby. We had tremendous early feeding difficulties following a traumatic Kielland's forceps delivery, lots of weight gain probs etc which didn't really resolve until about 7 months. He had the scream from hell. Not just my perception of my pfb's cry there but commented on by everyone from the HV to the GP to lots of random folks at the many activities we attended, every class leader. The HV visited me at home fortnightly for the first three months and I bet if you looked at my file it would say I was high risk for PND. He was desperately unsettled but I did what my mother would have done and just pretended to myself that it was AMAZING and he was the BEST baby in the world. I did bond with him, luckily, but God, I was exhausted by him.. though I would never have admitted it to myself.

Here was a typical "activity" day at 5 months for the information of those of you who think that maybe the OP's week is too action packed.

6am - 9am Clusterfeeding in bed interspersed with nappies etc. No joke. 3 sodding hours with him moaning and writhing at the boob while I stroked his head and switched him over and back, over and back.
9am - 10am Get up and get us dressed. Try to eat breakfast while he screeched if I wasn't near enough to smell. Holy chaos through nappy changes - neighbours must have thought I was murdering him
10 - 10.30 Drag often screaming baby on bus to "activity"
10.30 - 11.30 Activity (Gymboree) - barely a grumble to my mind, but was pretty unsettled here too looking back Blush
11.30 - 12.30 Sit somewhere and feed baby again after class. Wrestle with another nappy change.
12.30-1.15 Seize on grumpy baby's exhaustion to head home and try to eat something on way
1.15 - 3.15 Happy baby plays on mat. Relative quiet. Interspersed with screaming that I have managed to block out.
3.15 - Try to feed baby to sleep. Baby moaning like a demon on boob for an hour. Screaming, screaming, screaming.
5.00 - Zombiesque walk to library. Sit with baby in library and show baby books while yawning lots
6.20 - home again to bath baby (more screaming, arching back, rigid etc) and begin evening cluster feeding.
9.00 - maybe baby is asleep. Maybe not. It's a battle.
1.00 - feed
3.00 - feed
5.00 - feed

Y'see, the thing that exhausted me was MOST CERTAINLY NOT the baby classes. I often tried to squeeze two classes in if I could because it was time in the day to aim towards and to come down from, time when it wasn't just me lying on a bed somewhere feeding a baby who wasn't particularly satisfied or happy.

The PFB thing I did was not realise that he wasn't really getting enough food from me and that was the root of all our problems. When he weaned, food provided a structure where Gymboree etc had before and I dropped some classes.

What SpeedyGonzalez said resonated with me because I couldn't cope with too many less structured things eg toddler groups because I didn't really have the energy to really put a lot of effort into chatting. The classes helped because there was something to "hook" on to - I could comment on how other babies seemed to enjoy the class etc. I did go to one less structured group but I frequently didn't really talk and just kind of sat there, just pleased he had something else to look at!

Now, he is a happy-go-lucky fat well nourished toddler and we still go out on my two days off a week - but it's still fairly low key e.g.

Weds
7 - 10 Laze about, have breakfast, have a play, chill, hug, read books, get dressed etc
10-10.30 Walk to Gymboree
10.30 - 11.30 Gymboree
11.30 - 12 - Walk home and talk about birds/cars
12 - 12.30 Lunch and nappy change
12.30 - 2 - Nap
2 - 5 Nappy change, snackette, hang about or meet people sometimes, have some more snacks, read more books, play with cars or other toys etc
5 - Dinner
6 - Bath
7 - Bed.

I am not exhausted now, but I am still doing Gymboree. Gymboree is not that exhausting! Wink

toddlerwrangler · 11/03/2011 20:38

Oh. My God.

I spent the first page or so feeling quite sorry for you. As you say, if you want to charge about doing various stupidly named classes that is up to you. Funny to me personally, but up to ypu.

But then you overstepped a massive mark. You questioned and MOCKED (through the questioning use of boilding, no I am not going back 19 pages to quote) a persons dyslexia. When it was suggested you apologise you were almost gleeful in just how god bloody awful you had been to that person (no, I am not quoting). Pigtail maina was actually one of the nicer original posters IMHO.

If you think you are sat on any form of moral highgound lady you are wrong.

MillyMoosMummy · 11/03/2011 20:48

Toddlerwrangler - then perhaps you can't read?

As you can see, no one jumped all over me about it... Ask yourself why?