to think that if you need to have a lie down on a flight you're a lazy fecker?

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FFS, a flight is only at max 12ish hours long.

Surely anyone could stay awake for that length of time?

What a great opportunity to catch up on reading, correspondence, or you certainly could be sociable and actually communicate with your fellow passengers.

Do something edifying, you sloths.

And sure Business Class has all those perks so that Very Important People can actually do business, not snore, snort, snuffle and snooze?

If all these large thrones chairs were removed I reckon the airlines could fit on loads more normal seats, thus extra passengers and some planet-saving could be achieved.

ach you just need to shirnk a little and you'll all be fine - I curled up and slept in an economy seat on Virgin when we flew to Zim. thankfully was a relatively quiet night so I didn't have to sit up and belt up too often due to turbulence.

Do you get away with that if you're lying down??

I have never sat up for turbulence, just ensured my seat belt was across my waste.

'Waist' even, sorry on phone.

Fuck, I sleep in cattle class.

Teh girls top and tail in their sleep sacks on the seat.

I put an old sheet I bring in my carry on on the floor, then break out my sleep sack and get some rest.

DH does the same with DS on the seat in his Grobag.

We dose them with Piriton syrup after dinner and I pop a diazepam.

Running after 3 kids when none of you has had any sleep is a recipe for jet leg disaster from hell.

Screw that!

And I don't want to talk to any damn stranger unless they're interested in assisting with childcare.

Wow. You are being so unreasonable you may even have caused my MN circuits to short.

The people who pay the huge premium to fly business or first don't generally have the luxury of a day or two off when they get to their destination - most of my colleagues go straight from the airport to the overseas office, for a full 12-hour day.

Our company doesn't shell out hundreds of thousands each year so people get nicer toiletry sets and cashews and champagne rather than peanuts and Coke on takeoff - it's a totally legitimate business expense to have someone in a condition to walk out of the airport fully refreshed and ready for a meeting.

Giseelle...was Virgin Upper, had I think they push the bacon sarnies so they dont have to do a full English

You obviously have no experience of long distance travel. If you did you would know that lots of more unusual places e.g. China, Galapagos, etc require two long flights with usually at least a couple of hours in between. I have travelled to lots of places where door to door the travel took more than 24 hours.

And if you see someone on a short flight looking knackered, they may just been on the final leg of a very long journey.

Although tbh I don't care if people fall asleep on an hours flight!

Oldraver - interesting as that is a BA business class breakfast staple! I gather BA does a full English in first class, but in business they only do the bacon butty, a fruit platter, a bread basket (with butter, jam, marmalade) and sweet danish stuff which is a shame, although it rarely matters anyway as I often find I can't make space for anything more than coffee. Flying into Heathrow via T5 of course there's the arrivals lounge which serves a full English buffet, but to be honest once you've touched down all you want to do is go home!

Yes they were supposed to do the full English, cereals, toast, etc but asked us before thye put us to bed if we would like to be woken with a bacon sarnie. They were also rather keen to get out beds made up and us all off to sleep. One of the guys next to us got a bit tipsy totally sozzled on champagne which made him sleepy, he reckoned on purpose

My Mum travels with them a lot and she says they are always keen to get the beds made up

I've seen that too on BA - flight attendants very keen to have everyone asleep so they can get sneakily some sleep too

"Sneakily get" I meant to say - I'm half asleep!

I always try and sleep on a flight whether it's 2 hours, 10, or two 12 hour ones to NZ. As much as I like meeting new people I'd rather do it when I get to my holiday destination, as rested as possible. And btw, I only travel economy!

I think i'd happily be called a lazy fecker just to have a lovely long snooze up there in sleepy class
It took me over 18 hrs(2 flights) to get to where I am at the moment and the thoughts of flying back home later in the year and sleeping would be bliss.(if only) I could stretch out in 1st class while some responsible adult DH minds the 3 DC's

My parents travel first class now as my mother's arthritis is so bad that otherwise they wouldn't be able to fly at all (she can't sit upright for more than a few hours). Obviously it helps that they are very wealthy. I envy them the comfort, but not my mother the constant pain.

Gosh that chip on your shoulder must be exhausting Chaos. You need a lie down.

It once took me 56 hours of non stop travelling to fly from Sydney to Cork (don't ask). I would have screwed the entire crew in the toilet for a bed that lay flat for a few hours at any point.

Ba does do a full English in business but with other options like granola or cinnamon toast - this on their longhaul overnight flights

They also do a cooked breakfast in economy on overnight flights

Personally though I'd happily ban them as I can't bear the smell of cooked eggs on a plane!

air. coshing.

but they aren't supposed to do it now

i sleep any chance i get on a flight. i don't care how long it takes. but i also sleep on trains, buses, and occasionally in the passenger seat of the car. i try and stay awake if i'm driving.

i actually don't need a business seat as i'm short and can sleep anywhere, but don't turn down the opportunity if it presents itself.

but if i don't have to go straight to work at the other end, i sometimes quite enjoy slipping between the sheets for a few hours then as well.

I would love to fly first/club/posh-lie-down class! 2 kids in cattle for 28+ hours is a good introduction to hell (and they were phenomenally good - better behaved than I was!). Which is why I've not been back to the UK yet.

No flight is less than 12h from here unless it's internal! Think even Oz requires a day's trip.

Just as soon as I've won the lottery for the eighth time as have other stuff to spend money on I'll be booking those lovely large seats with much joy. If that makes me a lazy fecker then I will relax in my laziness and raise a toast to feckerdom :)

Oh lighten up! So what if people want or need to enjoy a bit of sleep, can't believe this is a post.

OP you get my very, very first

DH is going Beijing - Singapore - heathrow - Miami next week. He needs to work fresh from the flight so will sleep on all legs.

Yabvvvfu.

I always travel business or first, because if I don't I would almost definitely get DVT. Surprisingly i don't want to risk it. Luckily I can afford it so put away your judgey pants!

4 hour rule here, I'm not flying economy if it's over 4 hours. If that means we don't go away then that's fine.

But give me drive through check in, dedicated security, a swanky lounge and a flat bed any day of the week.

Op, what is your point exactly?