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I think it is too hard to rehome an animal

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SuperHans · 02/03/2011 22:20

I bought a puppy a few months ago and I really love him - he was the right choice for us. He cost £100.

He was vacc's and I will pay to have him castrated soon.

He has been such a success that I have been looking into getting him a companion. I would like to help a dog and rescue them but they want stupid amounts of money and loads of home vists.

I am just put off, and it is a shame because I could easily home another dog and give him a good life.

I think I will just buy another puppy I am afraid.

OP posts:
ChippingInMistressSteamMop · 05/03/2011 23:37

Whatever17 - read the thread!! It's bloody clear what the 'big deal' is if you bother to read it.

Whatever17 · 05/03/2011 23:48

I have read it - I think you are missing the "big deal" in that a dog needs what? Food, warmth, kindness, love, exercise, health care. OP said she would get insurance, so, if she does, what's missing?

ilovesooty · 05/03/2011 23:57

She hasn't yet had him neutered, and she was moaning about not being able to have another dog immediately if not sooner. I don't believe for one minute you read the thread properly if you think her attitude to dog ownership is ok.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:00

was her dog old enough to be neutered?

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:02

i meet a lot of people who really love their dogs - who haven't had them neutered

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:03

maybe they want to have puppies from them

Margles · 06/03/2011 00:07

Her dog was old enough to be neutered but I think she said she would do it when she could afford it.

She was moaning about having to pay for a rescue dog and have a home visit. I have only rescued cats myself, but most of us have pointed out that the donation for a rescue animal goes only part way to paying for the vaccinations, chipping, and neutering that's done for you. If you can't afford that you have to question whether you can afford to keep an animal.

The home visit is to see if you and the animal are right for each other.

She just didn't want to see this.

Lots of dogs ( & cats) aren't neutered and that is partly why there are lots of animals in rescue centres.

midori1999 · 06/03/2011 00:12

I refuse to believe this thread is in any way real. Hmm

DooinMeCleanin · 06/03/2011 00:13

'maybe they want to have puppies from them' in that case they do not really love dogs at all. Good, decent breeders, who do it for the love of the breed are few and far between. You would not be meeting 'a lot' of them.

back yard breeders are contributing to trhe large anount of dogs killed in pounds every year, for the sake of money. That is not love in my eyes.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:17

I have read the thread - she moaned about the advertising of needing a home for whichever pet.

And said she has provided a good home for her pet.

She appeared to have paid the same for her dog. So maybe the cost wasn't the issue.

Maybe it was the "shop n go".

To be honest, I have also "viewed and bought" my dogs.

Because I want to choose. After you have acquired the pet, well if it is cared for, I think the rest is political.

I would never touch a rescue dog.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 06/03/2011 00:23

she moaned about the cost of getting a dog from the rescue
she moaned about loads of home visits (you only get one)
You "view" rescue dogs before you take them home
She only said she'd get insurance in the middle of the thread
She says she's broke - yet thinks she can not only afford to get another pet, but also afford the excess, and the cost of vets bills not covered by insurance

bruffin · 06/03/2011 00:28

"Incidentally I volunteer for the Mayhew and they only do homechecks once a dog is reserved. Why would they waste their time? So I find your account implausible."

We have just rehomed a cat from the CPL and they did their home visit first and then recommended the cats they thought would suit us as a family.

We got a lovely little cat that had just had kittens but is still a kitten herself.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:33

Yes - I saw all of that - thank you. However, so she is getting insurance as you persuaded her to in the middle of the thread.

What is now wrong with her pet ownership?

I would ask again: what does a dog need?

Food, care, exercise, love, insurance?

DooinMeCleanin · 06/03/2011 00:52

There may not be anything wrong with her pet ownership. Although it does appear that she can barely afford to care for one properly, let alone two.

There is something very wrong with supporting backyard breeders while thousands of dogs each year are put to sleep due to over breeding and lack of good homes.

There is something very wrong with making out that rescue is not the best option.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 01:00

DooinMeCleanin - I don't think that re-homing from rescue does anything to abate people selling puppies. Lots of poor people really look after their pets, and she said it was a temporary financial situation.

When I lived in America you could just get a dog from the pound. So if 1 in 10 was the right fit then that is 1 in 10 that wasn't put down.

Better than nothing surely?

Or not, better that a dog is with a poor family doing their best for the dog than it is PTS?

DooinMeCleanin · 06/03/2011 01:29

It does do something about backyard breeding. It is called supply and demand. If there is no demand the supplier stops supplying.

Not to mention the op better pray her pup has no hereditary conditions such as hip dysplasia, eye problems, diabetes, canine epilepsy etc etc etc. Because she can't afford the vet fees from the sounds of things and I am willing to bet my last penny that a £100 puppy is not from fully health checked parents.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 01:31

OP's dog seems well cared for from what she is saying.

ExeterisEasy · 06/03/2011 01:33

your basically an idiot. buying a puppy, paying for the puppy to be injected, wormed, flea'd, neutered will cost you more than taking on an animal from a rescue centre that has been abandoned and has already had all those basic needs catered for. your lazy and not a worthy dog owner. wouldn't suprise me if you cant find the "time" to walk the dog you already own.

Ephiny · 06/03/2011 08:29

Whatever17, you are not listening. This is not remotely about whether or not the OPs current dog is well-cared for (though it absolutely should be neutered ASAP), but whether it is a good idea for her to take on another puppy at the moment (even most experienced dog owners usually wouldn't want two young puppies at once), and spreading misinformation about rescues demanding 'stupid amounts of money' and making potential owners jump through hoops, when in fact the process is not more expensive or onerous than buying a puppy from a responsible breeder.

Rescues do a fantastic job of caring for and assessing dogs and carefully matching them to the right home, and providing ongoing support once the dog is in the home, plus being a safe place the dog can go back to if the new owners really can't keep them. No one does this just to be awkward, or makes a lot of money out of it, most rescuers are volunteers and willingly giving up huge amounts of their own time and energy because they love the dogs and want the best lives for them. Personally I have a lot of respect for these people, and none at all for those buying puppies from backyard breeders because they can't be bothered to do things properly.

coccyx · 06/03/2011 09:35

EXETERisEasy sums up my thoughts exactly.
Why would you not 'touch ' a rescue dog' Whatever17?
I have a rescue great dane, we had her from a puppy and she is wonderful. Her and the litter came from a backyard breeder trying to make easy money.
I support fully paying 100+ pounds for her. Part of the money is to support the charity not just what it cost to have her vaccinated and wormed!!!

ChippingInMistressSteamMop · 06/03/2011 09:44

Add message | Report | Message poster Whatever17 Sat 05-Mar-11 21:44:07
What is the best (most cost effective) pet insurance to get? Dental? Had never thought of it. Also - does anyone know of a book that answers really stupid questions - like - is there dog toothpaste? I feel stupid asking.

I want a pet insurance that basically covers something massive like a broken leg and I will pay for all the Vaccs, anything regular, myself

Just sayin'

ChippingInMistressSteamMop · 06/03/2011 09:46

You know what puppies are like for stealing socks and using them to play with Wink

QuietTiger · 06/03/2011 11:10

I've tried to wade through this thread and have to say that I'm grinding my teeth in frustration regarding the OP. And I'm getting Angry. My credentials in rescue aren't quite as strong as Vals, but I've been heavily involved in cat rescue both locally and nationally for over 15 years, fostering/rescuing/trapping/you name it and now work with a specialist dog breed rescue. (Border collies). I am married to a farmer and could concievably have "all the rescue animals I wanted" because we have the space. But I don't. Because to look after them costs MONEY. Food, vets bills, routine care, etc.

Also, a responsible rescue will always, always home check. (And in the case of the one I work with even if they know you well - it's done by an independent volunteer who doesn't know you.) Why? A good case in point with me, was I had to put a piece of fencing up between me and my neighbour as my wall was only 3ft high. I then had to send pictures that I'd done it, to the rescue, before they would even entertain me even meeting a dog. They then identified 2 or 3 dogs they would consider a good match for the home I could provide, and I went to meet them.

All I got from that rigourous process, was the feeling of how much that rescue care about their dogs and their welfare. (But then they were preaching to the converted with me anyway).

I've had a couple of people I've rung up for homechecks for that rescue, who have either been really snotty to me on the phone, telling me quote not to bother them anymore as they had another dog from a rescue who didn't homecheck quote (Massive big red flag to me, as a rescuer actually), haven't returned my calls to arrange a home check, and various other reasons.

Someone once told me that I was unreasonable to insist on homechecks for my foster cats and that I'd get more homes and help more cats. To me, if even one of my foster cats ends up in an unsuitable home, that's not a statistic I'm happy with. Sure, when I do homechecks occasionally, people lie, and it doesn't work out for whatever reason and moglet comes back to me, but the rigourous procedures I have mean that I keep track of my kids, and that's what the rescue animals are to you. Your kids. You invest time and emotion and care and at the end of the day, the whole object of the exercise is to not have them bouncing back into rescue and for them to end up in their forever home.

Floss my collie that I got from the rescue I mention - she still messes in the kitchen at night, probably 2-3 times a week, she can be a little sod with food thievery, she can be skitty and spooky for no reason, she occasionally chases the moglets (but more often than not she's in bed with them), and she is generally being just a dog. She also tried to break out of the garden, but couldn't because the rescue had insisted that I fix my fence before I adopted. Had she got out, she would have only got next door into my neighbours garden, but my neighbour could easily have let her out and she would have then got onto the road. Floss is in a working home, and she is blossoming. All because I was matched to her PROPERLY. Her homecheck took 3 hours, and the adoption took equally as long. What it did mean, is that I could ask all sorts of stupid questions, and the homecheckers and Wiccs could give me a lot of advice.

Cara, my other collie, OTOH, came from a well known rescue, who yes, did a homecheck, but it lasted 10 minutes to check I had a garden. The fence was in the same state as it was when I was told by the second rescue to fix it. I was lucky. I know several people who have ended up with the wrong dog via them because of poor adoption procedures. I also know several rescues who don't do proper follow up and give appropriate support. (And would be quite happy to name them in a PM and why they are bad).

Yes, good rescues may help fewer dogs by people getting annoyed at the homecheck, but my argument is that if the adopters are not happy about the "invasion" as they see it, then they are not the right home.

And as for back-yard breeders... DO NOT get me started!

golemmings · 06/03/2011 12:11

I had a rescue dog. She was about 18 months when we got her. She had been previously rehomed as a puppy and whilst her previous owners had taken the trouble to obedience train her they had been at work all day and then hit and kicked her when she crapped on the floor. We figured this out when she would shake if you lifted your foot to cross your legs and the way she would crap behind the only full length curtain in the house.

It took just a couple of months of patience and love and letting her out at lunchtime for her to settle down and really start to trust us and behave like a sane dog and we were rewarded by a beautiful, healthy loyal dog for the next 13 years.

We got away without a home check but I was working at the kennels during the school holidays. Probably just lazy of them tbh.

Now looking to get another cat which we'll get from rescue if I can actually find them. Their website is crap and only has contact details for their shop! I'll be happy with a home visit; whether they'll be happy to home a cat to a household with a cat already, a child under 2 and another on the way is a different matter however...

Vallhala · 06/03/2011 12:27

QuietTiger, great post. Now I wonder ... might the name of that Border Collie rescue which you volunteer for begin with a V or with a W by any chance? :)