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I think it is too hard to rehome an animal

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SuperHans · 02/03/2011 22:20

I bought a puppy a few months ago and I really love him - he was the right choice for us. He cost £100.

He was vacc's and I will pay to have him castrated soon.

He has been such a success that I have been looking into getting him a companion. I would like to help a dog and rescue them but they want stupid amounts of money and loads of home vists.

I am just put off, and it is a shame because I could easily home another dog and give him a good life.

I think I will just buy another puppy I am afraid.

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fifi25 · 03/03/2011 10:57

do dogs from the pound go on to a rehoming centre if deemed fit to be rehomed, i am a bit confused about the pounds/rescue. If a dogs in a pound and doesnt go to rehoming is it then pts if no ones takes it.

LeroyJethroGibbs · 03/03/2011 11:00

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DooinMeCleanin · 03/03/2011 11:01

fifi pounds have to keep the dogs for 7 days to see if they are claimed. The local council from where the dog was picked up have to pay for this, hence why you are charged to collect your dog, if it gets lost.

After the 7 days it is at the pounds discretion and expense. Some keep them until they are full, many pts after the 7 days. Some assist rescues in getting the dogs into rescue, some don't. It very much depends upon the pound.

I know our local one claims to keep the dogs for as long as is possible before putting to sleep. They also allow rescue workers in to take the dogs somewhere safe after the 7 days, although space in rescue is short, so not all dogs get this chance Sad

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 03/03/2011 11:07

I was Shock to discover Battersea is a pound as well (never used it - not even close - but obviously have heard of it)

fifi25 · 03/03/2011 11:11

Its just i got a dog from the pound 6yr ago(no home checks) and have always felt guilty about returning it after trying my hardest to keep it for a year. I wanted a dog, thought i was being kind and chose a one who was friendly (some were extremely agressive). This goes on a lot and i know loads of people who have had dogs from this pound. Some have kept them, some returned them. So is it right or wrong to pay £60 for a dog from the pound who offer no home checks on the chance that they are ok with your family. In all fairness i could have choose one that mauled my toddler. People leave them tied up outside so obviously there is no history. Dont jump on me im just curious Smile

Rubyted · 03/03/2011 11:13

Oh FFS!! Hans...you are being MASSIVELY unreasonable.

If you can't afford a dog then don't fucking get one! I can't believe that you're being so selfish to think of your own wants above the animals.

How do you think animals end up in rescues?! Because people like you WANT a dog....but can't afford it. Then poor puppy ends up in a rescue....or dead...because you can't pay for the vets bills.

Rescues must be rolling in money if they dare to ask you for a donation....sheesh...how much do you think it costs to take in a dog?! Not £100, I can promise. There are jabs, neutering, hidden vets bills (that can come to thousands), not to mention the general living costs.

Stop being so selfish , and enjoy your current dog.

Ephiny · 03/03/2011 11:13

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread in detail - but from the OP I don't see what the problem is. Surely a good breeder will homecheck and require you to make visits, and of course you pay them for the puppy? So don't see how that's any more onerous than rescuing.

And rescues are not asking for 'stupid amounts of money' just to line their own pockets. We actually made an additional donation because the suggested one didn't seem like nearly enough when you consider what they actually did for the dog - he was neutered, vaccinated, micro-chipped, treated for ear and eye infections, flea/worm treatment, plus of course food and board for the several weeks he was there (and some dogs are in rescue for months or years), and doing the necessary assessments to understand his temperament and what sort of home he'd need, plus someone had to drive from one side of London around to the opposite site to home-check us. Rescues are often very short of funds and rely on volunteers and donations to survive, I never heard of anyone getting rich by running a dog shelter!

I do think rescues would have reservations about the OP though, not least because she already has a young puppy and it might not be so sensible to get another pup at the moment. Hopefully a responsible breeder would say the same though.

DooinMeCleanin · 03/03/2011 11:21

Fifi it is not unreasonable. I have done it. Devil Dog is a pound dog. I have also told a rescue I am talking with that I am happy to foster dogs direct from the pound for them, once I have been homechecked. However I knew I was going to a pound, I knew the dogs would have no history and would most likely have behavioural issues. I felt I was experienced enough to deal with this. So far so good, but I must admit there have been times when I have wondered if I have bitten off more than I could chew with Devil Dog.

I wouldn't advise that the average dog owner go to a pound. Dogs in proper rescues have been assesed and they will only give you a dog you could cope with. I was raised with dogs and have the expertise of my Dad who has owned dogs for over 40 years and a trainer with 30+ years experience to call on if I need them.

diddl · 03/03/2011 11:29

I think it can seem as if they don´t want to rehome.

We weren´t suitable for a lot of dogs due to having a cat, having teenagers, not already having a dog, not living on a farm.

And I do agree that having the money to pay for the dog & passing the home check doesn´t mean that you´ll make a good owner.

Ephiny · 03/03/2011 11:35

Yes it can be a bit frustrating when you keep getting told a particular dog is not suitable for you for various reasons, we were a bit Hmm about that at first.

But tbh the more I've got to know about dogs and about how rescue works, the more I look back and think actually they were right. Rescuers do usually have a lot of experience and know what they're talking about, they've seen enough happy endings and enough disasters to have a fairly good idea of what works and what doesn't. Maybe they can be a bit over-cautious sometimes, but better that than the alternative IMO.

fifi25 · 03/03/2011 11:39

I got ripped to shreds on a previous thread as i said i wouldnt recommend getting a rescue dog with young children. I didnt know the difference between a pound and a rescue centre. I thought the pound was a rescue centre. Its a minefield really, You could get a pound dog whos been raised in a family with children and make the most fantastic pet, my friend has one. You could also get one who they say seems fine with kids and it's not. The springer i got was fantastic with my kids. The pound told me he was fine with other dogs. He was fine on a leader. I let him off after having him for a while and he mauled some poor womans dog. I still kept him for another 9 month i just never let him off the lead which was hard for a springer. I feel i did my best and have had to live with the guilt of returning him but i honestly couldnt manage him. I was also stupid to pick a large lively dog. Am i right to feel guilty that due to my stupidity he had to go back or did i try my best to give him a home. Its still upsets me now thinking about it.

DooinMeCleanin · 03/03/2011 11:45

Yes I was told that Devil Dog was good with children and tolerent of cats. He was for all of a week until he recovered from the shock of being in a pound and his skin condition which was causing him a lot of pain. We then realised he was tolerent of children, but in no way did he actively like them and cats = snack time Shock

We have had him about a year now. He still hates and despises the cat, but no longer wishes to eat him and last week he actually went and sat with the neighbours child for a cuddle Smile. However it has taken a lot of hard work, time and money to get to this place with him. I wouldn't have blamed anyone else for rehoming a dog with similar problems, if they didn't realise what they were taking on.

fifi25 · 03/03/2011 12:15

I got my two as pups one is inbred, Fifi's a staff and her older brother who he kept is its dad and no one would buy them. One was born with a deformed leg. Not sure if it was due to the breeding or if she got squashed in the womb. The manageress from partners work took her and paid a fortune in vets bills. She still has her. One was given to a neighbour and his brother took the other.

After the carry on with the springer i vowed not to get another dog. He came in with Fifi and i was horrified. I said take her back theres no way i am having a SBT (guilty of listening to horror stories on the news) Shes bomb proof, ive never heard her growl ever and is submissive with other dogs.

The youngests off some bloke down the street whos patterdale got out in heat and got caught off the neighbours patterdale x alledgedly, 2 of her sisters were taken to Longbenton pound as no one wanted them. TBH i think she needs to go on Jeremy Kyle for a paternity test as she looks nothing like her mam or supposed dad Smile

Vallhala · 03/03/2011 12:21

LEROY, Birmingham Dogs Home is a POUND. taking in the strays directly from Birmingham's Dog Warden and from the Dog Warden's of other nearby councils.

To fing out more about RESCUE in the Birmingham area I'd make Denise at Dogwatch - [email protected] my first port of call.

fifi, it works like this....

A stray dog will be taken by the Dog Warden to the Council's allocated pound. These come in many guises - For London boroughs it's Battersea Dogs Home, which most people mistakenly consider a rescue. True, Battersea homecheck and assess their dogs but they aew also known to put to sleep harder to home dogs - read Staffies, Greyhounds, older dogs, expensive to treat but curable dogs - on the basis of economy.

While Manchester and Birmingham Dogs Homes (read POUND) take in their council's strays, North Herts sends theirs to a place which is also a breeder of GSD and a boarding kennels. I'll leave it to you to guess whether their interest is humanitarian or financial! They do not homecheck and you can walk in with a babe in your arms and out with a large, unknown, unassessed dog within monutes for a set sum of money.

Cambridge City is one of a few local councils which uses Wood Green Animal Shelters - they take in from the public too, they do home check and assess, but like Battersea they will PTS a stray they consider unhomeable and they will refuse to take in a dog in need of help if, say, he's a bull breed but will instead tell the owner to take him to be put to sleep.

Before anyone says "how do you know" the examples I have given above are all as a result of personal experience as either an individual dealing with these organisations or as a rescuer dealing with them.

In law a stray dog must be kept by the council for just seven days. After that he can be put to sleep, rehomed by the pound or sent to a rescue. A dog which is handed in to the pound by an owner as unwanted can be put to sleep/rehomed/sent to rescue immediately he is handed over. The important thing to note here is that the pound only get paid by the council to keep stray dogs for 7 days. The average sum paid by the council for this, per stray dog per day, is about £7 to £10. The pound gets more if it takes in dogs out of hours etc so, say, 30 dogs to feed and do little else for a week in kennels that are otherwise just standing there is a nice little earner. After seven days when the cash cow dries up the poor buggers are at the mercy of the pound.

Some pounds, like Wood Green and Battersea, are registered charities. They fund-raise, they receive bequests and donations and they are able to keep dogs for longer although neither will by any stretch of the imagination keep a dog indefinitely. Unless the circumstances are exceptional - read it makes good newspaper copy and advertising - they will eventually PTS "unhomeable" dogs.

Those pounds which are running businesses alongside their council pound contracts need to keep the cash coming in and so if they've outstayed their 7 days welcome the dogs have to go. Add to this the fact that they have a contract to keep taking strays in when the dog warden finds them, even if their kennels are full and you'll see why some even scummier than normal pounds will kill before the dogs' legal entitlement of 7 days grace has expired.

Some of these pounds work with rescue, calling upon rescue volunteers and networkers like myself to help find rescue places for these dogs when their 7 days are up (or when they are handed in by their owners). Some volunteers have certain pounds with whom they are in daily contact and they will go in, photograph the dogs in need of rescue and do as I do, which is beg and plead our nationwide rescue contacts to offer a space. We all both send out and receive daily lists circulating of dogs who will all definitely be put to sleep within a day or two as their "times up". It is heartbreaking, utterly fucking soul destroying... and a joy to be able to save some of these poor souls, to place them in no kill rescue where they will be assessed, rehabilitated and rehomed.... if they get that lucky.

Because some pounds won't co-operate with rescue networkers and volunteers. :( IME these normally have illegal or immoral practice to hide and usually both.

Some, like Fleet Kennels, a profit making boarding kennels in West Yorkshire, who are one of the pounds which have recently taken on the West Yorks contract, definitely kill the large breeds and the bull breeds immediately after their 7 days are up. That's breeds such as two of my own dogs, German Shepherds... Christ that hurts to type.

Lets just put it this way... one of the boarding kennels which I know of and have mentioned here also knowingly had (don't know if it is still true but it definitely was last time I was there) an illegal practice of allowing cross contamination of possible illness between their pound dogs, which got treated like shit in tiny, unheated outdoor kennels, and their better cared for, more profitable boarders. Think about that sort of thing, people, before you take your dog to a boarding kennel in future or before you buy a pup from a breeder and ASK THEM IF THEY ALSO TAKE IN COUNCIL STRAYS. If they do, walk away, don't give them your money, because not only will they not have the pound dog's welfare at heart, they won't have YOUR dog's welfare at heart either.

IF we can get the pound which doesn't rehome with homechecks and assessments itself, as Battersea or Wood Green does but which just sells dogs to anyone who walks in with the right amount of cash, to agree to allow us to take the unwanted dog to safety once his 7 days are up, we then have a hell of a fight to get him a rescue place. Most rescues are full from week to week, few will offer to take Staffs or Staff crosses, which make the bulk of these appeals.

It's a bloody hard job and many a time I've been up til 3am and beyond appealling for rescue places (rescue owners keep stupid hours too, by the nature of the job!), knowing that if I fail him that dog will be dead by 10 that morning. With rescue secured we appeal for transport volunteers amongst our contacts to get the dog from pound to rescue, often involving several people doing bits of the run and then handing the dog over to someone else for the next leg of his journey as frequently rescue will be found counties and counties away from where the pound is.

Eventually, the dog will if he is lucky, arrive in the rescue, safe at last, and begin his journey to rehabilitation and towards finding a forever home.

That's the positive side,seeing something like THIS HAPPEN This boy was literally on the vet's table about to be killed when I managed to stop them from putting the needle into his leg. He came to me, semi blind, confused, filthy and urine-stained and covered in absessed cuts, all the way from a NE England pound to Cambs in East Anglia. I cleaned him up, got him medicated at the vets. had him vaccinated, assessed him, had him sleeping on my bed with my own dogs and sobbed my heart out when he went to his wonderful forever home.

Such is rescue.

But for every positive there are loads of dogs doomed to die who never meet this "Vallhala" or anyone like me but only their own Valhalla. These include the dogs in the "closed" pounds in Ireland, where the public and rescue are not allowed in and the dogs only ever come out dead, in black plastic bin liners.

Vallhala · 03/03/2011 12:27

Diddl.... I have 4 cats. I don't live on a farm. I have two teenagers.

I also have here a dog I am fostering from a very picky rescue as well as my own two dogs!

We do home to all sorts of people, honest. I'd far, far rather home to the family you have than to one with a toddler in it, as would most rescues.

RudeEnglishLady · 03/03/2011 12:28

I thought my rescue dog was a bargain. A dog like that cost hundreds of pounds normally! I had a few home visits because they were a bit worried about her temperament which felt a bit overcautious but it was fine really. The only thing I would change is to have had a litter from her as she is so lovely natured and several people wanted a pup from her. That would have defeated the purpose a bit though - I understand!

I would take rescue over new as long as they had an appropriate sort of dog. The one time I bought from a breeder, my puppy had hip displacia (spelling?) and had to be put down :( . The breeder was really chippy about taking back the (expensive) puppy and refunding my money.

fifi25 · 03/03/2011 12:34

God thats awful..Sad

EdgarAleNPie · 03/03/2011 12:35

seriously, does anyone think you can buy a puppy from a reputable breeder for £100?

I don't.

You can rescue for that sum, but it doesn't even nearly cover the costs of the rescue - it serves more as a frightener to discourage people who aren't serious.

Vallhala · 03/03/2011 12:38

"You can rescue for that sum, but it doesn't even nearly cover the costs of the rescue - it serves more as a frightener to discourage people who aren't serious."

Wink

Never a truer word spoken.

BeerTricksPotter · 03/03/2011 12:38

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ChippingInMistressSteamMop · 03/03/2011 12:40

Val - it's heartbreaking isn't it :( Absolutely heartbreaking.

What you do is really incredible... and all for love.

What do the Pounds have to gain from not involving the rescuers? What do they have to gain from a 'closed' pound?

fifi25 · 03/03/2011 12:41

So Val are people doing the right thing by paying £60 for a dog from LB with no home checks on the off chance that its fine with their family and might be saved. I know quite a few people in my area who if they were after a dog would go to LB or Claremont Road. I know people who have kept them and people who have took them back. On my previous thread when we discussed my point of saying i would never get a rescue, i thought a rescue was a dog from the pound and LB was a rescue centre. Its not its a pound.

Vallhala · 03/03/2011 12:42

fifi, that's the abridged, sanitised version.

I could go on for hours... about the manager of Manchester "Dogs Home" which claims a no kill policy, killing a much loved by staff boy called Bryn on a Saturday night although she knew that I had secured a rescue for him and she'd promised to keep until Monday morning when rescue volunteers could collect him.

I could tell you about the pound managers who refuse to let dogs to the safety of experienced rescue, deeming them aggressive when in fact all the dogs are doing is growling in utter fear.... the list is endless...

issey6cats · 03/03/2011 12:46

morning all vallhalla i have just read shanes story with tear in my eyes what a fabulous dog and it must have been so hard for you to send him to a new home, he looks so happy and thank god for people like you who have been there to give him that second chance

Vallhala · 03/03/2011 12:49

fifi, the people you speak of are misguided. They're taking on a hell of a risk going to the pound, having no homecheck and taking an unassessed dog.

They would do themselves, their families and dogs in general far more favours by going to a real rescue and being checked out, being matched to the right dog and getting an assessed dog with all the support that rescue can offer... or even just fostering such a dog from rescue... so that the rescue can then offer the space freed up to another pound dog and assess and rehabilitate him in order to offer him to a checked, approved and suitable home.

That's why we homecheck... not to comment on your tatty garden or your washing basket but to ensure that the dog is right for you as much as you are right for him.

The other thing you can do which is vital to the lives of pound and rescue dogs is to tell other people that there is a big difference between a pound and a reputable rescue, what to look out for and what to ask.