Well done Mr Alhadi.....but what kind of parents still have a pitbull dog as a pet?

[mrsruffallo]

Thank God for this man walking past...but really shouldn't all parents be thinking hard about having these kind of dogs in the home?

Staffies get very unfair bad press.

Look at the people who are in these stories, rarely are these dogs belonging to average families.. they are almost always owned by the chavvy male member of the family, and either never been trained, or been mistreated.

Staffies bo not lock their jaws. No dogs jaws lock. That's a myth, it's physically impossible and yet another example of how ignorance engenders ignorance.

The 'lock jaw' is a myth, dogs can't lock their jaws.

If you have seen a staff attack your dog and nearly kill it, and lock it's jaw on and not let go for 10 minutes despite lots of attempts to remove it, you might change your mind about that TBC. If you physically cannot remove the jaw, I would describe it as 'locked' on.

My mum is a little old lady with a staff, Queenofflamingeverything.

Describe it as what you like, your description is wholly inaccurate alfonzo. I repeat - locking jaws in dogs are a myth and physically impossible.

I've seen a German Sherpherd nearly kill my staff, alfonzo.

This is heartbreaking

The fact that you can't remove it if you tried makes me think that the saying 'locked' on as a description is not inaccurate, even if as you say the idea of a locked jaw is a myth. I understand other breeds and larger dogs can also do damage, but my argument is that there are certain dogs who would do less damage than others due to size/strength/characteristic. And I wouldn't want to risk one of them having the opportunity to do damage to a child.

'lock it's jaw on and not let go for 10 minutes despite lots of attempts to remove it'

It just didn't want to let go, thats not the same as a lock jaw which is a myth which would mean the dog couldn't let go even if it wanted to.

We can all do headlines, jonicomelately, and I positively guarantee you that I can find hundreds more of this kind than you can of the kind you have just linked to.

There are HUNDREDS of medium sized and bigger dogs who could do damage. You might as well just ban dogs altogether.

Really silly argument.

What has a dog being stabbed got to do with dog attacks on children?

Perhaps my opinion has been formed due to personal experience. I am saying that I would not trust certain dogs over other dogs, you would be silly to assume that a smaller dog could do the same damage as a larger dog.

I think a lot of people have an opinion due to personal experience.

I personally, really dislike jack russels after being bitten once and almost bitten again and i'm scared of springer spaniels. I wouldn't however, wish them to be banned or make out they are any more dangerous than any other dog because i genuinely believe springer spaniels to be just as capable of staffs of doing serious damage. Jack russells not to an older child granted but certainly a younger one or baby.

Like someone said earlier up the thread, staffs do get a lot of negative unfair press, because of the owners wanting to use them for status, so although as you say other dogs could do as much damage, I think the probability of a staff attacking vs a springer spaniel attacking is higher because of the owners and perhaps lack of discipline, socialistion and encouragement to attack and fight. I have met lovely staffs but at the same time I am scared of them because of this.

Yeah but that would be true even if pitbulls and staffs were banned.
They would be just be replaced with the next 'killer' breed imo.

I do think it is the owners that need targeting and punishing though, not the individual animals.

We have a staffie. My lovely Sil breeds them.

We make sure Staffy has sufficient exercise (although tbh they are only fairly small dogs, they don't need that much) and that Staffy dog has toys to engage her 'prey' instinct. They were originally bred as terrier dogs so they are crazy for the whole 'chase it, catch it, give it a chew and drool on it' kind of thing. Dog toys, I mean, not peoples' legs or anything.

We have trained dd to not hit, kick, sit on, ride or in any other way torment Staffy dog. Staffies have a very high pain tolerance, which, really, is what enables them to be tortured clambered all over by children and not bother about it.

I wouldn't have any dog and not exercise or otherwise amuse it properly, and I wouldn't have any child in my home without reading the riot act about How To Treat Dogs and make sure I was there to monitor it.

Staffy dog has places to go if dd annoys her, although she has never been bothered. She sees dd as a playmate and not a snack, she knows never to jump up on dd, to always take her ball / treat gently from dd's hand, and she will stick right by dd's side if she goes out in the garden. If dd should wander where she is not meant to, like onto the drive or the back field, nanny Staffy Dog will alert us. If an strange adult or worse a strange dog is around, Staffy will protect dd as if she were a pup, standing and guarding her, chuffing or barking.

If upsets me that Staffies are so maligned purely because of their looks. When they have had loads of exercise they have massive jaw muscles, big shoulders and they do look hard. But that is just appearance. Staffy personality, imo, goes like this:

'Hmm I am a silly dog where is my ball play play ooh can I have a chip? thank you!
play play ooh yes stroke me stroke me hee hee see I can roll on my back can we play now oooh yes more chips gis a cuddle mistress I love you can I lick your chin oooh hmm nice'

They are stupid and loving and playful and very loyal.

Definitely owners need targetting, I don't for one minute blame the dog. The dog I had a bad experience with was with a 5 year old and a 10 year old who could not handle it. No adults. The woman who owned the dog when she was called was not remorseful and actually harrassed us after the attack. (We had swapped numbers almost as if you have just had a car crash or something). The family were awful.

TheButterflyCollector.

I find your post rather

How is a beagle being stabbed in anyway a counter-argument to my post?

And what are you saying about the report? That it's wrong or that it's OK for these dogs to be attacked?

In any event you have clearly missed my earlier post where I defended the dogs and attacked the humans.

To say that all dogs are capable of attacking is burying your head in the sand missing the point. There is a human problem here that needs to be addressed.

Wow, thats awful and so sad.

Have to say though, springer owner was very similar when his spaniels ran into the road at my buggy, barking, growling and snarling at ds. Owner called them back THREE times as they were inching closer and eventually had to run and grab them.
I thought it was so sad when he screamed 'stupid fucking dogs' at them, kicked them, smacked one across the face. Hardly surprising they're so nasty.
He very matter of factly said 'would never have hurt you anyway' and walked off but it was very clearly that the total opposite was true.

'all dogs are capable of attacking is burying your head in the sand missing the point'

No its being truthful.
The owners are almost always to blame but at the same time people have to accept that all dogs are capable of attacking. They are animals and unpredictable.

fluffy91

The tragic thing about my experience was that I could see this ABT had the makings of a fabulous dog. It had a lovely personality. It won't stay like that for long

I would find that scary too fluffy, especially if the aggression was aimed towards my dd. I have to fight the instinct to stand in front of the buggy sometimes based on what I have experienced. It goes to show that we are all deeply influenced by our own personal experiences, and that no amount of reasoned argument can change your instinctual feelings about certain dogs. I do still blame the owners though.

I agree btw that all dogs are capable of biting if the owners mishandle them. I still think we are dealing with a human issue here.