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Rights for children

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Millenniumbug · 02/02/2011 20:40

AIBU The law has correctly applied the right for same-sex couples to stay in any hotel they want to. But, how many hotels & holiday companies have an adults only policy, (but you can take your dog). Now there are plans for child-free aeroplanes as well. Isn't it time our children were included in anti-discrimination legislation too?

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bubblewrapped · 02/02/2011 22:20

It gives people a choice. Many adults, even those with children would sometimes like to go somewhere that is childfree.

Children do not need to be included in everything as a "right".

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 22:21

libster its not their home its a hotel. Home...hotel. Not same. Are you following? Hmm

RumourOfAHurricane · 02/02/2011 22:23

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2shoes · 02/02/2011 22:23

yabu
I have dc's, but when I want there to be places that are dc's free.
if I can't do that maybe that is discrimination on people who don't want to be around children .....

(disclaimer I think the idea that this is discrimination or that not allowing children is discrimination as being hysterical)

Lamorna · 02/02/2011 22:24

I don't think they need to be included, people want the choice of child free.
Lots of people are restricted. My teenage DS can't get a booking as an all male group.People with dogs are restricted.

coldtits · 02/02/2011 22:25

Gay people don't draw on the walls or get up and thud around at 5 am just because they are gay. Dogs, if they bite someone, can be forcibly taken away from the owner and destroyed.

Neither of these apply to children.

tethersend · 02/02/2011 22:29

I was going to post about how much I would like to stay in a child free hotel but I was so astonished by CockularDepravity's shocking term for a group of children I've come over all unnecessary and had to have a big sit down.

thelibster · 02/02/2011 22:34

Buzz It's not actually a hotel, it's a B & B, which isn't quite the same thing. They live there themselves and maybe even sleep in an adjoining bedroom. Look, before you get on your soapbox, I'm not anti-gay and I've already said that I, personally, don't agree with it but it's not the same as a hotel, not the same at all. If they want to make silly rules and lose business then it's up to them as long as they don't advertise it as a "gay-free" zone imo.

PaisleyLeaf · 02/02/2011 22:37

Should children then be entitled to go on SAGA or Club 18-30 holidays?

CockularDepravity · 02/02/2011 22:38

@ tethersend - really? 'Brats' offends you to this extent? I certainly don't wish to upset anyone so I gladly retract the term.

thelibster · 02/02/2011 22:40

PaisleyLeaf, a very good point.

NotRocketSurgery · 02/02/2011 22:45

think it depends on the DC - I could take one of mine anywhere and you wouldn't know she was there - the other one (admittedly he has special needs) - I wouldn't inflict on anyone's B&B :) - we always go self-catering or camping

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 22:45

It is called a hotel on their own websites. The judge ruled it a hotel. Its a hotel. And excusing bigotry makes you look like one even if you aren't.

If you don't want gay people in your "home" don't open it up for paying guests. thats the law.

Myleetlepony · 02/02/2011 22:51

No, bollocks. It's nice to be able to go on a holiday somewhere that is adults only from time to time. They tend to cost a little bit more, and it's money well spent sometimes. They don't boast child-friendly things like baby pools, and pay areas full of screeching kids being ignored by their parents. It's great. Grin

There are plenty of places that children can go to enjoy a holiday, Butlins for example.

thelibster · 02/02/2011 22:58

Buzz then they shouldn't call it a hotel, obviously. I'm not about to join in with your petty name-calling. Bigotry exists whether we like it or not. I am currently trying to find somewhere to rent privately but, because I am, at the moment, on benefits, most of the properties I see advertised which would be eminently suitable, I cannot apply for because the advert says "no dss". So, I look elsewhere, it's life and I have to get over it. I just think that in cases where people are renting out rooms in their own homes they should have some say in who and who they do not admit. Supposing a lone woman was running a B & B and a lone guy turned up on her doorstep that she didn't quite trust the look of asking for a room, she should have the right to turn him away without having to give a reason. As the law stands now, he could take her to court, claim to be gay and have her prosecuted. That sucks imo.

thelibster · 02/02/2011 23:07

And Buzz, how come this is allowed? Double standards?

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 23:28

do a search, that ones been done to death.

And you seem to have misunderstood the law entirely if you think that could happen. Do get a grip.

tethersend · 02/02/2011 23:30

Cockular- no, not really Wink

I was mocking the OP's astonishment.

Whatever you do, don't call them little shits Grin

Meeko · 02/02/2011 23:48

I'm all for child free places and definitely would never see it as discrimination. Sure, some children are well behaved and would go unnoticed in most surroundings, however some are not and why should people have their holiday ruined by the presence of the latter group. Everyone has the right to enjoy the holiday they pay for, and if that happens to be at a child free site then so be it.

Nancy66 · 02/02/2011 23:53

Oh God I would love love love a child free flight...i'd pay double.

Morloth · 02/02/2011 23:55

Me too Nancy66.

sterrryerryoh · 02/02/2011 23:55

Millenniumbug - "I get sick of children, (and their parents), being treated as 2nd class citizens"
Do you really think this? I think the opposite! I think the whole of society in this country is geared up to children, their parents and family and it is actually the child-free who aren't catered for

thelibster · 02/02/2011 23:59

Buzz I'm not at all sure what exactly has been done to death and I'm certain I couldn't care less really. If some people want to stay in a gay only environment it's absolutely nothing to do with me but I would have to say if some others want to stay in a non-gay environment, that is also nothing to do with me. Discrimination will continue to exist in all kinds of guises and there's no way it will ever be completely stamped out, however much we may wish it or legislate for it. It's naive to believe otherwise. As soon as one upholds someone's "right" to something one finds oneself infringing someone else's. It's life but some people will continue to tie themselves in knots searching for an "equality" that, given human nature, can never really exist. If they want to expend their energies in chasing their tails then that's also nothing to do with me. If I have misunderstood, as you say, the couple in question were not only bigoted, but stupid. They should have just turned the guys away without giving a reason and without making a song and dance about the whole gay issue. More fool them.

BuzzLightBeer · 03/02/2011 00:08

what you linked to was a site recommending gay friendly hotels. How is that any kind of double standard? Hmm

Discrimination will exist as long as people defend and excuse bigotry. Which you seem to be doing. Who is the naive one exactly?

thelibster · 03/02/2011 00:26

Buzz, under "Clientele" it says "Exclusively Gay". That says to me that straight couples are not welcome, and it's a public advertisement! That's what I meant by double standards. Some people want to holiday in an exclusively gay environment and they should have the right to. Some people want to holiday in an exclusively strict Christian or Muslim environment, which would exclude gay "activity" for want of a better phrase, ditto. Some people want to holiday in child friendly places, other people do not. Some people want to stay in dog friendly places, other people do not. One can't go on a nudist beach unless one is prepared to be naked. This is a pointless and naive argument.