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to think that surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie?

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LadyOfTheManor · 28/01/2011 12:27

Seriously, unless you're a miner or from a mining family, or Welsh... ok well even if you are, surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie T?

I'm a tad young, I was born in her "reign", but I did my degree in Politics and although I didn't really live under her (it was Major until I was 11) I couldn't see what she did that was SO terrible-let alone the sheer hostility when her name is mentioned here (in Wales!).

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pascoe28 · 28/01/2011 13:08

She was/is ace - the loathing for her only shows how right she was - to take on the enemies of this country (unions, IRA, Argentina, socialists and so on) and beat them

Niceguy2 · 28/01/2011 13:08

When you cut to the chase, people hate Maggie because she forced people to start living within their means.

So loss making industries were not propped up (eg. mining). The state reduced its spending to match what it could afford which meant people bleated about how NHS was rotten etc

And what people hated about her was that she stood firm for what she believed in and pooh poohed people's stupid notion that there was a secret money tree that the government could conjure money from.

nagynolonger · 28/01/2011 13:10

Also Mrs T was very close to Ronald Regan. She would I'm sure have backed the americans in any war just as TB did.

bestmamaderwelt · 28/01/2011 13:10

The selling of council houses is a prime example of the 'me me me'. I will share a toast with you.

Niceguy2 · 28/01/2011 13:10

Yeah but Ronald wasn't a moron like Bush jr.

woollyideas · 28/01/2011 13:11

I agree with everything Tally says about Thatcher and Blair.

I remember life under Thatcher (I'm that old) and can remember the feeling of utter horror and disgust I used to get every time I saw her on television.

Dreadful woman.

MollysChambers · 28/01/2011 13:11

Nothing wrong with people living within their means "Niceguy"

However for many, many people she removed the means practically overnight. What do you live off then?

woollyideas · 28/01/2011 13:11

Niceguy. Ronald wasn't a moron? Are you sure about that?

BaggedandTagged · 28/01/2011 13:12

The other point is that people forget what the alternative was in 1979. It wasn't like things were looking great for the UK and Thatcher ruined it all.

melodyangel · 28/01/2011 13:12

reikizen - can I come to your party? I'll bring cake!

ifancyashandy · 28/01/2011 13:13

Yeah - Socialists / Unionists and so on.... those who give a damn about others who may be less financially secure / fortunate as them... who think we have a collective responsibility for each other and it is not all down to the individual because - as said before - we are not all born with equal access to those that 'progress' us (educations / jobs / health care etc).

BaggedandTagged · 28/01/2011 13:14

More mines were closed by the labour administration that preceded Thatcher than under Thatcher's government.

nagynolonger · 28/01/2011 13:15

I'm not sure you're correct there Niceguy in the late 70's people did in the main live within their means. Credit cards were not wide spread and mortgages were very diffincult to get. We did everything right....saved for a deposit, only counted DH salary when applying......we were still stuffed when the rates went up.

Hulababy · 28/01/2011 13:16

I lived throught he 80s. I lived and still live in the North, in a mining town. I have relatives who were miners. I come froma working class bacground. I don't hate her. I don't know her personally. How could I hate her?

Some of the policies she had I disagree with. Others benefited my family - my parents bought their council house. As a result they have moved up and out of where they were living, now have a lovely house in a much nicer area, not living in the not great area where the council house was. And no, they didn't make a fortune on their council house. We are not in an area where ex council houses sell for a lot of money. They got a bare minimum for it. But that right to buy did wonders for my parents and people like them.

I may not have agreed with all her policies, but hate her - no. I am just not the kind of person who has hatred running through them though. As for "maggie is dead2 parties - its's vile and sick. makes me judge the type of person who would do such a thing, and not in a good way.

pascoe28 · 28/01/2011 13:19

ifancyashandy - the idea that unionists think about other people than themselves and their own narrow interests is one of the funniest things I have read on here.

As for socialists thinking we have a collective responsibility to one another - when will you learn that you can't legislate people into being 'nice'??

Socialists don't care about the poor at all - it's their relative position to the rich that fixates them so. If the poor got poorer, they wouldn't give a stuff...so long as the rich lost more money still.

Hulababy · 28/01/2011 13:19

Many people who hate MT, or claim to hate her, have no idea what it was like pre those times. OK, not everything that happened since was great, but it was also dire before her too. Peopl forget nd remember the bits they want to remember though.

TBH I have yet to know any politician in my time actually do that good a job. Conservatives weren't that great, Labour certainly weren't - and not convinced the coilition is that good either. They all say what they want us to hear and then do something different.

SlantyBaws · 28/01/2011 13:21

I can see how some people benefited from her policies (in fact my parents did).

But her policies meant the segregation and denigration of entire sections of the British Isles.

pascoe28 · 28/01/2011 13:21

Hulababy - I'm with on the distaste for 'Maggie's Dead' parties. Why anyone would want to advertise their mean-spirited nature like that is beyond me.

It's like wearing a t-shirt that says, "I'm a spiteful cunt".

Very strange. Judge them accordingly.

nagynolonger · 28/01/2011 13:22

I won't be cheering/partying when she dies, but I'll be at the demo if they give her a state send off.......she was no Nelson or Churchill.

SlantyBaws · 28/01/2011 13:22

*That are yet to recover, even now 20-30 years on.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 28/01/2011 13:23

YANBU - not EVERYONE does hate Maggie. Lots of people love her

Selfish people
Greedy people
Ignorant people
Deluded people
Bar-room bores
Jim Davidson
Pinochet

Fortunately, thanks to Maggie's legacy to the education system there are no shortage of people in the first four groups. The OP for example.

MoaningMedalllist · 28/01/2011 13:23

My rents had to move down here for the North east, cause she closed all shipyards

I had to brought up in this shit coz' of her Angry

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 28/01/2011 13:23

Well said Pascoe...

melodyangel · 28/01/2011 13:23

I'm a spiteful cunt

Blu · 28/01/2011 13:24

The woman who when faced with British companies making a mint out of selling arms, including the components for weapons of mass destruction to Iraq , consulted the Ministries of Trade and Defence. The MOD strongly advised her against allowing the export of arms and wmd to iraq - but she listened instead to the Dept of Trade and went for the money.

What a great long term decision that was.

I actually thought in the run up to the Iraq war 'the gvt are probably supporting this - inc the Tories, remember - because they know what was exported there in the old days'.

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