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to think that surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie?

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LadyOfTheManor · 28/01/2011 12:27

Seriously, unless you're a miner or from a mining family, or Welsh... ok well even if you are, surely not EVERYONE hates Maggie T?

I'm a tad young, I was born in her "reign", but I did my degree in Politics and although I didn't really live under her (it was Major until I was 11) I couldn't see what she did that was SO terrible-let alone the sheer hostility when her name is mentioned here (in Wales!).

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narkypuffin · 29/01/2011 00:37

No no no Alouiseg. It's not 'small goverment'. It's 'big society'. Totally different things as the first implies US Republican style poor people piss off whereas the second suggests cuddliness, caring and possibly guitar based sing alongs.

Remotew · 29/01/2011 00:37

I meant 'this' smaller government of the future.

pascoe28 · 29/01/2011 00:41

ItsGraceAgain - you say you're unable to afford certain things now. Why do you expect the contry's finances to be run any differently to the way you (sensibly, it would appear) run your own?

BuzzLightBeer - I don't want people to get poorer, to suffer ill health, to die. But nor do I want society structured in such a way that makes such outcomes more likely. I want those that can look after themselves to do so...those that can strive and achieve and improve their lives to be encouraged to do so.

For it is only with the wealth that those people create that the poor, the sick and the dying will receive any kind of assistance at all.

I don't want a society structured around the lowest common denominator - because no-one will ever succeed at anything that way.

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 00:43

when that cunting fuck finally pops her clogs there will be a National Holiday declared in Scotland and we will march to wherever they decide to plant her and dig the hole ourselves!!!

pascoe28 · 29/01/2011 00:43

Let's just nail this canard once and for all.

She did not say this.

pascoe28 · 29/01/2011 00:44

ounumbered2to1 - oh do grow up. What are you? 12?

manicbmc · 29/01/2011 00:45

Was really trying to resist posting any more on this but....

'those that can strive and achieve and improve their lives to be encouraged to do so.'

My dd has now decided she doesn't want to go to uni - she's bright and able and has a lot to offer but doesn't want a load of debt hanging over her head as I have always lived within my means and she intends to do the same.

anonymosity · 29/01/2011 00:51

I rather enjoyed the tenor of outnumbered2to1's post - more nerve than I have and I totally agree.

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 00:53

pascoe nope i am almost 38 but i still hate her and i will sing and dance and party when she finally dies

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 00:55

anonymosity I'll shout it extra loud just for you !!!

galletti · 29/01/2011 00:56

outnumbered - why do you have to use language like that? it's horrible - would you be of with your dcs using it?

Oh, and by the way, don't hate Maggie, but I think she ruined a large part of this country, and agree with posters that a lot of what we are dealing with now is down to her policies in the eighties.

I also had the misfortune honour to meet her a few times, (worked in Central Office) and try as i might to like her/understand her, all I could see was a very false woman.

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 00:56

oh and can i quote Frankie Boyle for you pascoe...

all of Scotland will be issued with a shovel and we'll dig the hole to hand her over to Auld Nick personally!!!

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 00:58

galletti my apologies for the language em but that's how i feel about her. And i don't use language like that in front of my DC's its reserved for special occasional use like in describing that woman

manicbmc · 29/01/2011 01:00

I'm not in Scotland. But I'll gladly travel and help dig. I'll even bring my own shovel.

ravenAK · 29/01/2011 01:01

If I bring my own shovel & travel up to Scotland can I help dig?

There you go.

I'm 'on my bike' AND not expecting the state to provide my shovel. I'm practically a Tory.

anonymosity · 29/01/2011 01:01

I heard about a man who trained his dog to take a shit whenever he shouted "Thatcher". I hold that story close to my heart.

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 01:03

hell i'll walk to wherever they plant the auld witch.....

somehow though i don't think they'll be doing it in scotland - not unless the auld cow has it written in her will as a final F*ck You scotland.....

wouldn't put it past her

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 01:04

psml @ anonymosity

kirriemummy · 29/01/2011 01:06

I agree its tasteless to celebrate someone's death and I wont be doing that for margaret thatcher. But here's why I think that she was one of the worst things to happen to Britain.

  1. She made a culture where all that mattered was money, She said herself that society was a dead concept - everyone should look after themselves. We're still fixing that now.
  1. The Unions did do their bit to bring down the mines, as did the fact that they weren't economically viable any more, but instead of helping communities she pulled the rug out from under their feet and left scars that are still not healed today. There may have been some miners not playing the game but the most of them were driven to strike through desperation. Visit west fife and certain parts of Co Durham and you will see what thatchers britain produced
  1. She used places that voted against her as testing grounds for unpopular and unfair policies, i.e. the poll tax.
  1. She acted like a maniacal despot within her own cabinet, and she propped up quite a few actual despots around the world
  1. She made impossible for people at the bottom of the heap to get off it by implementing policies that helped the rich and hurt the poor and then blamed them for their 'laziness'. My mother worked as a welfare rights officer and could tell you stories about means testing that would make your hair curl. A man applying for disability living allowance (he was in a wheelchair) was told by the DHSS that he wouldn't need a carpet in his house if he had slippers.
  1. she got us into the worst recession for 15 years
  1. She orchestrated a war in which British soldiers died in order to win an election and called herself a patriot for doing that (sound familiar?)
  1. She is put up as a feminist icon when she freely admitted to using her gender as a means of getting ahead - something most feminists would deplore in men. How many other women were in her cabinet? none.
  1. She was the only leader in the commonwealth to oppose economic sanctions against the appartheid regime in South Africa
  1. She privatised oil, gas, telephones, water, petrol, railways, manufacturing, and ripped the heart out of British industry. We have nothing left because of her and yet people are seriously saying that she was made britain great. she took what made britain great, and sold it to the lowest bidder.

I know all controversial leaders get labelled great once they've gone, and that in hard times its sometimes easy to look back to the past with rose tinted glasses. But it will be a cold day in hell before I do that with Margaret Thatcher.

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 01:15

kirriemummy

very eloquently put - and i agree wholeheartedly with your statements. But it won't stop me dancing around and cracking open the champagne when the end comes

anonymosity · 29/01/2011 01:15

You left out

she emptied asylums and put people into "the community" where they could not cope being institutionalized and became random, abused homeless people

she sold off all the public housing saying the money would be spent building new housing - and did not, it sat in a bank account earning interest.

She deeply changed society in very specific ways. Being fixed? I think a lot of people would like to believe it, but its entrenched now.

kirriemummy · 29/01/2011 01:18

well, maybes a wee small glass Wink

outnumbered2to1 · 29/01/2011 01:21

pop i can always get another bottle...

BaggedandTagged · 29/01/2011 01:22

"6. she got us into the worst recession for 15 years"

On that logic, Labour got us into the worst recession since the 1930's but I don't hear people wanting to kill Gordon Brown.

LadyWellian · 29/01/2011 01:23

Yes! Everyone except pascoe28

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