To think that the Tories will mess up this country worse tahn teh last goverment?

[poshsinglemum]

With all this talk about shuting down libraries. I am horrified. It's disgusting. What else will they do away with? Nappy changing facilities, buses? Hospitals? What were people thinking when they voted for thm?

i dont think librarians get 25k a year, more like 14k.

all those who say they are sick of handing money over to the poor and that they need a kick up the arse, why are you happy to vote for a government that chooses to hand money over to big business that already makes huge profits at the expense of the under paid? why is this a better option than helping those less fortunate?

Will be interesting to find out; although I live in an area with a very low immigrant population, and pretty much all my friends and family have turned from LDs towards Labour in the last few months- and no, none of them are unemployed jobless so-and-so's either: self employed, retired, working elderly......

Interestingly the only LT benefit claimant who clearly could work that I know votes Tory. Odd.

\link{http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx\who can vote in what}

well there you go...

note a VERY important part of that

To qualify, Commonwealth citizens must be resident in the UK and either have leave to remain in the UK or not require such leave.

So those on a work permit or similar can't vote as they don't have leave to remain, they're here basically under "terms and conditions"

Knittedbreast Where do you think the money comes from, to help the poor? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The more profit businesses make the more tax they pay and therefore the more money to help the poor.

you can vote if you are not a citizen but you must have lived her consequlativly (not left the uk even for a holiday) for 2 years

I was under a work permit before but I dont think there was a general election at that time, just local. I kept getting those wee cards in the post.

Knitted - it's more complex than that. My SIL had lived and worked here for 8yrs before she was able to vote - as she was on a work permit, and didn't have leave to remain. (she does now)

Anyway so im an immigrant who will leave in the next few years and voted.

yes baroque...i was on 2 work permits previously and wasnt allowed to vote until I got my recet ltr.....so I had been here 9 years with no voting rights

No citizenship change though

"Citizens of other EU member states resident in the UK can vote in local government elections but cannot vote in UK Parliamentary elections."

\link{http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/elections/voter-registration\from here}

I'm guessing from an EU country?

Who me? No Im australian

sorry x posts with your comment about your not being able to vote until ltr

but all help is being taken away from the poor? do you know how much profit energy companies, train companies and banks make? if that was all nationalised we wouldnt have the problems we do now. who sold it all off ? the tories. what is the problem with having lots of people working for the state? they are jobs that need doing.

:)

For the record I voted tory
lol

It's not black and white gorgeous

POst redundancy (DH) and whilst being a carer (me) we have both set up separate businesses in order to move forwards; the benefits system supported that with tax credits, carer's Allowance etc. It has enabled usto visualise a place at least where we can never claim a penny again; something we long for. Whilst keeping a roof and security for the boys.

We both ex[ect to employ toehrs eventually.

We happen to live in one of the worst areas of the UK employment wise ATM, and I think act as evidence that access to benefits can promote options rather than simply drain the state: without TCs we'df be in a council house and entirely dependent on JSA by now, with children seeing no working parents in their household. Instead they have witnessed us study, work, and generally find ways around a lot of bad luck.

ReclaimingYRIPeACHY I agree with you - it's never black and white. Thank goodness for responsible hard-working people like yourselves who want to set an example for their DCs. I wish you loads of luck in your venture.

Thank you gorgeous.

Dh is already making aprofit: not a huge one, and I start in a few weeks as self employed carer's support wroker (somewhat ironically on here ATM), though have to start with websites etc.

Even DS1, ASD, is getting the bug LOL and just bought himself some hhamster cages with monoey from necklaces he amde and sold at the school faure.

oooooo yes Peachy - that reminds me -I need to talk to your DH

It's about a USB cable for a sodding fisher price camera..........it didn't come with one and none of the ones I have fit and we have no shops in town that would have a clue either..........

TBH I've no idea why they are selling off/closing libraries and national forests. Its very short-termist. Things must be particularly bad.

However, though you've heard it repeated a thousand times (but some still seem to be in denial) the cuts are necessary. Labour supporters are willfully deluding themselves to duck the blame. Labour had 13 years in power and messed it up royally with social re-engineering and immigration on a huge scale, devaluing and demoralising our own workforce and putting many on benefits, while crafting policy to favour their Indian/Chinese sponsors.

Last time I checked, the government was supposed to support industry and workers in the UK, not watch as it was gutted to a shell and oursourced to Asia.

WRT 'ideologically driven' comments. In this case ideology and what is right for the country are the same thing. Thats why Tories/LibDems are in power and Labour are not. Its what the general public voted for.

'Americans living in the UK with no nationality can't vote can they? as an example?'

They cannot. They must naturalise to vote.

People here on Right of Abode might vote (the ond Ancestry visa has been changed recently), this is how some non-EU people might be voting.

Someone asked on an earlier page re how many workless families there are in the UK; there's some research here

www.bristol.ac.uk/cmpo/publications/papers/2010/wp231.pdf

that suggests it's between 1 in 6 and 1 in 5.

Health, welfare and pensions spending each account for around 17-18% of total spending.

Source: www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/government_expenditure.html