What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

Appletrees- but if your decision not to vaccinate is not based on your perception of the relative dangers of vaccination vs contracting the disease, what is it based on?

and come on...... posting slurs on someone's sexuality on the internet in the interests of advancing a debate on the dangers of vaccination is pretty mental, and I mean that in the original sense of the word, as in, it is the action of someone who appears to be mentally ill or unstable.

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Appletrees you seem to be set to Espanol again!

" probably, somewhere, but they're probably not links you'll believe as they're not peer reviewed journals who posted them."

In which case they will be - without exception - scaremongering, agenda driven bullshit.

There are many graphs. Juat Google measles decline etc. Eatch ye website. I will get to link later.

No, they're on website anyone would've fo.d aceptable. They are facts. Pro vac website will give you a graph sinceros vax. Others will give you a hundred years.

People in the medical profession make mistakes too, just because things are deemed safe or helpful now does not mean that in 10 years time they will be banned from use because of damades that they caused!

So again there is no way of saying who is doing the best for their child, we just hae to go on instinct regardless of what that may be.

People do seem to think these vaccines act as a force shield around them though, I know people who've had the single vaccines and feel very smug but they strike me as being the worse of both worlds.
We had MMR when the children were of school age, I had professional documentation ie a school report with no mention of any special needs and then had anything changed I would have laid the blame firmly at the door of the vaccine.
I think people would actually have forgotten about the whole Wakefield thing a lot sooner had the government agreed to give people the choice of single vaccines they could paid for or the MMR for free but from their GP with NHS approval.

"lol that only science in peer reviewed journals is valid. DH is a scientist and he's seen endless guff. One guy published something in a physics journal and DH wrote a letter pointing out all the mistakes. It had been peer reviewed.The journal eventually printed the corrections"

Which shows that the process works.

Try doing that for www.scaremongeringbullshit.com and see if a correction is published...

Leonie, great link. She's right of course. Who needs wakefield when the evidence is all around?

Mental, bullshit, woo...you are all running scared. Not a bloody clue.

What HattiFattner said - rights and responsibilities

I think it's irresponsible and the result of a lack of understanding of what science is and therefore the ability to judge what sources are reliable

Sorry, not read all this thread because vie been reading the other one but feel my question is more suited to this one.

Having decided that the vaccination of other children is enough to protect yours from contagious diseases, how do you tackle the risk from tetanus?

Every time your child cuts themselves in the garden, or at the park, or at school they are at risk of contracting this disease. It is a fatal disease and the only way to protect against it is by vaccination of the individual.

So a theme of anti-vacc people is to say that Deer acts like a thwarted homosexual, and is weird looking and acting? Personal abuse is not a refutation of his allegations.

The fact that Wakefield dropped his libel claim against Deer when Deer made it clear that he was willing to fight it out over the evidence in court is more telling. Wakefield was fully funded by the MPS, so faced no personal financial risk in pursuing the claim.

I broadly agree with noddy but fully understand that there are kids who mustn't be immunised and there's a kid at ds's school who isn't and I'm always careful to inform school if ds might be coming down with something, even minor (he's immunised), even a cold, so this parent can take the decision to keep her child away from school as this child has a seriously compromised immune system and a simple cold can be serious for this child.

But on the other hand I do remember friends of my dh who categorically stated that they wouldn't immunise their kids(during mmr scare) and it would be fine as their kids would be safe as the majority of kids were immunised. I thought they were hugely selfish.

But UK allows us the choice and so those who refuse are just those who refuse- our system allows it. Even if we all did it our authorities allow people in from countries that have high rates of certain illnesses into the country without immunisation and that means that there will always be a risk. My father has had tb and it meant one year of no school for him. My family are either from developing countries or often work there so I'm just grateful my kid is offered vaccines.

BTW - I was a parent who paid for single mmrs but at the same time fought tooth and nail to get my kid the tb jab (in a area that doesn't do it routinely). I'm generally pro vaccine but not really pro all the combinations in one go. What did it for me with mmr is that he was booked in for mmr (that's three) with another three. I thought that was way too much in one go. Little immune systems with lots of vaccines in one go didn't rock my boat.

But he's up to date and I'm pleased with my choices. I'm also pleased that a) he's unlikely to suffer these illnesses and b) he's unlikely to infect a vulnerable person with a potentially disasterous.