to think men seem to have taken to MN in their droves recently......and I don't like it

[LadyBlaBlah]

Every thread I go on, there are men putting forward their opinion

I have enough of men in RL. AIBU thinking they should bog off to DN or go play the X Box or something?

I think that's what the hostility to the term is Coleysworth.

The articulation of privilege. It is very uncomfortable to be told that you are privileged and the usual response is denial.

So any term which invokes the concept of privilege, as mansplain does, is going to be received with hostility.

Let me womansplain it for you.

The word 'man' is in there because 'men' are the privileged group in question. Now you may not agree that men as a group are privileged over women as a group, which is the only generalisation being made. Is that what you are arguing?

Perhaps it would be easier to understand if you apply it to white/black instead of man/woman.

I'm not a bloke.

and can you stop being so patronising please?

There's no need to roll your eyes.

It would be just as ridiculous a term if you subbed black or white.

Blacksplaining? I don't think so.

Saltatrix, I find it a bit odd that you accept that other factors like race and class have an influence on privilege, but sex doesn't.

hmmmmmmm

My view is privilege is tied up with multiple jeopardy.

I may be more privileged than a women of my exact social standing, but I think race and poverty come into as well.

As a Male, black, gay, one legged, poor person I wouldn't feel very privileged?

don't roll you eyes at me, young lady!

I know of and acknowledge the notion of 'male privilige', and do see it being practiced most days in obvious and subtle ways.
this does not justify a cack way of generalising about men. And thank you for your 'learning tool' of the race comparater. Just what I needed.

It is a generalisation isn't it Pan? A total, blatant generalisation. Or are we both going mad?

whitesplaining would make sense to me though.

the point is it's the privileged group that something-splains. If we lived in a world where black people were more privileged and had been for centuries I could imagine blacksplaining might take place.

TBE, I find the rape thing a bit of a weird one because a woman cannot physically rape without a LOT of effort.

I do accept that sex has an influence, I was saying that sex is not the only factor and many other aspects play a part in ones privilege which men can make equal numbers of as well.

As a male black gay one legged poor person, the only privilege you would have is your maleness.

I have white privilege. I also have educational privilege. I have able-bodied privilege. I have heterosexual privilege. I have western privilege.

On other things - class, money, sex, nationality, I am on the other side of the privilege line.

I don't have a problem with a black person telling me I have white privilege. I do. That doesn't mean I am a privileged person in the sense that I am Joanna Lumley or Tara Palmer-Rama-La-di-da-da-pardy or Prince Harry.

But Seth the very substitution of whatever word - black, white, man, woman - IS implicitly generalising.

I just don't think it's as black and white (Ha!) as men and women.

Male, white, rich, able-bodied at the top.
Female,black, poor, disabled at the bottom.
Lots in between.

I could go on about coming from a tough inner-city Comp where no one was expected to go to Uni and you were meant to get a job in a factory, tug your forelock say 'thank you master' and be thankful you had bread and dripping for tea but I won't.

Was saying this on another thread. People get hung up on the concept of privilege, as if it's static and we're accusing all men, all whites, all heterosexuals etc., of being Prince Charles or Camilla. We're not.

of course so, cabbage. Suspect a bit of stubborness is going on. Which is always boring, 'cept when I do it!

off to Style and beauty - my natural homeland.

So eg Whitesplaining would mean that you are doing it in a certain way because you are white. Not because you are privileged. And even if it was because you were privileged, you might well be privileged and not speak in that manner.

It's a poor construction, it really is. And I am offended by it - womansplaining too, offends me, as a woman. It's gross.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that Saltatrix.

So why so antsy when male privilege is pointed out? You specifically said that you didn't think males were privileged as a group.

I'm privileged to be a white person in a developed country. It's not always a comfortable feeling to be privileged. But it sure as hell has no bearing on my resistance to these words.

take your LGBT point, Lenin - straights seem to want to wear their right-on credentials a little too much in other people's spaces.
It's the notion of droves and dominate on here that's a bit risible.