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In being surprised that apparently 98% of UK women under 25 have no pubic hair at all?

849 replies

Longstocking2 · 04/01/2011 23:52

Is that true?

A friend who is a practice nurse says she presumes it's just a fashion. None of her women under 25 who come for smear tests have any pubic hair.. all shaved, shorn, waxed to nada.

Obviously that's fine but it seems a little universal to me. Aren't there any rebels out there?
Is it just for the boys they do it?

Does the image not come from porn originally?

{shock]
Confused
would love to be enlightened!
Clearly I'm over 25 Grin

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SnowyGonzalez · 06/01/2011 22:06

Brilliant! Though I must say as a non-X-Factor viewer JLS passed me by too...till I saw their 'wanking' Wii ad, that is! Guffaw!

DirtyMartini · 06/01/2011 23:45

Q for the hair removers -- what are your thoughts on the 'virgin wax' link posted earlier? Is it at all depressing to you that there are people who think it would be best if girls never grew pubic hair in the first place? Or do you think they are right?

Disclaimer: I have not looked at said link myself yet cos I am using my iPod and didn't want to get sidetracked away to the link.

BelfastBloke · 07/01/2011 08:14

Fascinating points about Arab culture, waxing and the Koran, and the things about North African women.

Interesting post from PlentyOfParsnips yesterday. Thought it would get a lot more discussion, because obviously, as she says, there is no one single reason for anything in culture:

"K, I'm going to give up on reading the last five pages. I've been following this thread for two days now and it's growing faster than I can read it.

I'm going to concentrate on the OP's question - where does this suddenly pervasive fashion come from? Throughout history, some women have probably always removed their pubes for a huge variety of reasons, but in the last couple of decades it's changed from being a fairly unusual thing to being the norm in this country. I think that's worth talking about without negating the individual reasons that individual women have for depilating their individual bodies.

Porn has become much more pervasive and has merged at the edges with mainstream popular culture but that's not the only change there's been in this area. In the olden days (70's - early 80's) I seem to remember most of the porn being European, whereas with the advent of the internet, most of it now seems to come from the US. Stylistically, it's quite different from the European stuff - it's much more smooth, shiny and plastic-y IYKWIM, and on the stuff I've seen, men and women are both hairless. I'm wondering how much mainstream American culture has influenced the porn industry there, as well as the other way round. Vaginal douches have been mentioned as a particularly American thing and I'm also thinking of circumcision - I've heard lots of Americans say it's more hygienic - if there are any Americans here, how long has pubic depilation been the norm in the States? ... could we be seeing a strand of old-fashioned American sexual puritanism, bizarrely mixed in with the porn aesthetic? It would make some sense of the hygiene reasons many people have given on this thread.

What I'm trying to say is that it's likely the current trend has no single cause. Certainly porn plays a large part but if this is a much more established practice in the States then porn may not be the only, or even the most important conduit. Mainstream popular culture (Sex & the City, magazines etc.) could have a lot to do with it as could cross-cultural influences from Islam and the far east. At some point, these ideas reach critical mass and start spreading fast, just through word-of-mouth and it becomes impossible to separate the strands of what has influenced what. So, yes, it's partly from porn, but to say it's just from porn is simplistic."

kittya · 07/01/2011 08:49

I totally agree with the above, its a mixture of things.

SarfEasticated · 07/01/2011 09:08

I find it really sad that so many women find themselves unattractive in their natural state. I wish that we could just love ourselves the way we are.

Xenia · 07/01/2011 09:13

Plenty of women don't of the ages mentioned.

There have always been trends and no one is forced to in mainstream UK culture anyway just as men are not forced to shave (although I have never found a single man attractive with any kind of facial hair...ugh...)

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 13:08

maktaitai wrote

Sorry, that's not the case. There are some specialist sites (perhaps it is classed as a fetish nowadays, since anal and oral are high on the US/Australian producers list of what viewers want - not my scene) and news groups dedicated to both pubes and hairy bodies (some women are clearly happy to be hairy and make money from film or photo work).

piprabbit · 07/01/2011 13:14

Pornviewer, I find it really sad/upsetting that men fancying women with pubes is now a 'specialist' interest and not mainstream.

Kind of proves the point about how far and quickly this shift in attitude has now moved.

maktaitai · 07/01/2011 13:40

fair enough pornviewer, i shouldn't generalise from limited experience!

but i agree with piprabbit re having pubic hair as a 'specialist' interest Sad

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 15:10

Yes, FWIW, I agree with pipabbit too, as I perhaps have a 'vanilla' taste (M+W or W+W) without the seemingly high need for such big male appendages as can be used to force a gagging reflex, and similarly with other activities which I won't detail.

Perhaps of note is that some sites who are looking for models even comment in the negative about shaving beforehand, because they don't consider it necessary to be 'bare' and prefer 'girl next door' to be a mix. I'm thinking here of two Australian sites (GirlsOutWest.com and AbbyWinters.com) where plenty of the models have a decent bush.

Similarly, although around 50% of Japanese porn obscures sight of pubic hair, lots of Japanese models are clearly unshaved. Most Asian porn seems to not go down the shaved route, and similarly, plenty of African-American models and those from South America (unusually, given the 'Brazilian' naming) also have their natural bush intact.

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 15:19

piprabbit - I think as BelfastBloke wrote, there may be a US influence causing many of the easily available porn to show shaven women with false boobs, and guys with maybe a triangle of hair, trimmed very short, rather than natural length and curly.

Unfortunately the Americans (and Australians go as far as the Germans these days, into somewhat perverse areas such as "golden showers", as if that's somehow a big turn-on).

I won't go on, someone might be offended by some of the other things popular with the producers. There was a piece on the Guardian site a few days ago about how it is a multi-billion dollar business and the makers and distributors are seeing the buyers as hairy-knuckled thickos, eager to be parted from their cash!

The producers determine what is 'wanted' (certainly 50+% of it is not what I want, and that's the sad bit, what I consider normal is 'tame' in their terms, perhaps), and while they make money with that, they won't stop (hence gagging BJs, double-this, double-that, and so forth).

BelfastBloke · 07/01/2011 15:24

BelfastBloke was quoting PlentyOfParsnips' astute observations. Credit where credit's due.

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 15:27

KerryMumbles wrote "women feeling inadequate and finding constant ways to make themselves feel more beautiful"

Surely the whole of the so-called 'beauty' industry plays on insecurity - I get tired of the Max Factor (or Rimmel) "London look" ads on TV, ads for longer lashes, Davina saying how lovely and blonde someone is "with no bleach" etc.. oh, and the endless ads for perfumes, before Christmas, and the rest of the year there are endless ads for creams and razors for your legs showing some suitably curvy woman in the shower with steam to cover any intimate views [god, who cares if you have a few hairs here and there, and a bushy armpit of hair seems fine on the continent, so why not here in the UK, too ?]

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 15:34

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PornViewer · 07/01/2011 15:37

sorry BB, only spotted this thread on some search engine and joined today. have only got part way through the thread. still finding it odd to have facebook and twitter buttons but no 'quote' button.

MsSparkle · 07/01/2011 16:00

Shaving off pubic hair is not a new thing as some have said. I don't like the bald look but I have had a strip down the middle for years.

This sort of thing was mentioned on sex and the city back in the late nineties early noughties. It really isn't a "new" thing.

Mimblesson · 07/01/2011 16:05

I'd just like to say that I'm a bloke and I just can't abide the shaved look or indeed feel. Shock

Hairy armpits are nice, too. It was so amusing to see the shocked reaction of (mainly female) TV presenters when Julia Roberts flashed her unshaved pits a few years ago. It was almost like she'd let the side down or something. Thanks heavens for my lovely wife.

Pendulum · 07/01/2011 16:15

have not read all of thread, but have been interested a while in whether it's easier for some people to 'take it all off' than others.

I have very thick curly hair (on head and elsewhere). I wax the sides and generally tidy up with scissors but cannot imagine waxing the whole area. Would it be easier if I had fair, fine hair?

(I am sadly well over 25 BTW)

moirasings · 07/01/2011 16:32

I usually trim v short, but at 35 + weeks pregnant I can't actually see my lady garden any more so it's gone wild. Not a big fan of complete removal as laser is painful, sensitive skin means no creams and shaving cuases hideous rash and itching! I'm sure porn may have something to do with it, but DH is Muslim and apparently Muslim woman have to keep their pubes "shorter than a grain of rice"???? It's a cleanliness thing...? I am 40, but I have heard from my beautician (when lasering bikini line) that complete removal is very popular. But surely some mean find it a bit off-putting because of the Lolita thing?

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 16:37

Can see the Lolita aspect, but some apparently feel this is an unnacceptable view (similarly any mention of porn as a reason). Hygiene often gets mentioned (an old flame certainly gave that reason) which seems an easily acceptable view (though is there any evidence either way?)

My own feeling is that if nature intended us being hair-free around the groin, that's how we would be!

Heroine · 07/01/2011 16:52

I'm sorry but you are all way behind the trend - I was completely hairless in the 70s

Mimblesson · 07/01/2011 16:55

I remember there were 'specialist' top-shelf mags for that in the 70s, Heroine, but that's what they were: specialist. It wasn't common at all.

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 17:04

I remember Fiesta and Mayfair from early in their publishing history, but they were pretty tame. Whitehouse described itself as 'educational' so they had full frontal nudity and couples simulating (?) sex (memory sketchy and a long time ago!).

Do not remember top-shelf mags with shaven havens but I lived in Southampton in the 70s so not quite like London's Soho, I guess!

PornViewer · 07/01/2011 17:13

TheFeministParent wrote

Some lads mags don't even show nipples, and most girls seem to wear some underwear, however skimpy.

Any views on whether there has been an increase in the wearing of thongs as bikini bottoms on the beach and whether these have had any effect on pubes / no pubes views among the teens and twenties ?

IE whether the switch from cover up to (almost) show all is part of the push for having no hairs to peep out at the sides of costumes?

Longstocking2 · 07/01/2011 17:25

good post BelfastBloke

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