In being surprised that apparently 98% of UK women under 25 have no pubic hair at all?

[Longstocking2]

Is that true?

A friend who is a practice nurse says she presumes it's just a fashion. None of her women under 25 who come for smear tests have any pubic hair.. all shaved, shorn, waxed to nada.

Obviously that's fine but it seems a little universal to me. Aren't there any rebels out there?
Is it just for the boys they do it?

Does the image not come from porn originally?

{shock]

would love to be enlightened!
Clearly I'm over 25

wukter I do not know what thread you are reading. But I think I am quite entitled to get defensive when I am told repeatedly (even if indirectly) that my thoughts are somehow invalid and that I have obviously done it for other reasons.

Sorry. Hijack. Will def go to bed now

No Expat. You know the difference between disagreeing respectfully and just plain rude don't you?
What's wrong with another thread anyway? Not for you to decide how many is too many.

OK Kaloki. But in general I think it's a good thing to examine the reasons why a particular suddenly rises in popularity, in broad terms.

'What's wrong with another thread anyway? Not for you to decide how many is too many.'

I never said it was.

See what I mean, Kaloki?

C'mon, let's go bleach our anuses, Kaloki.

:o

You brought it up Expat.

Hang on, I'll get my vajazzling machine too, that'll really upset them

Oral sex is better if you don't have pubic hair there, there is a reason for not having any at least underneath.

Wicked!
:o

Am just coming back to this thread after a long evening so I'm afraid I'm going to flog what is probably a long-dead horse.

Dittany, if you're still here, in response to your last post to me, what you called Libero pushing at her argument (or words to that effect) was what I call a conversation. You were both doing the same thing, until the bambambam! bit which was somewhat Mama Tiger. Yep, as someone else said, you have strong opinions. No problem there, but I have no respect for ranting/ teeth-baring as a way of arguing one's point. It comes across as aggressive and is a neat way of denigrating one's words, which, as I said earlier, is a great loss when you're actually talking sense.

And now I guess the horse is truly dead! I probably shan't be able to keep up with this convo as it's got so long, but I'll try to dip in when possible.

"we may be raising a generation of John Ruskins..."

and some of them are female John Ruskins.

longstocking and notanumber2 - I've laughed and laughed since reading your post - you've made my morning!

Actually, and for how ever many under 25's that say it's 'what they do', I do genuinely think that porn has played a role. Am only going from what I read once (think it was Psychologies magazine - get me! lol it was in a Dental surgery and was either reading that or a 4 year old National Geographic).

The article read that since the birth of the internet, porn has become so easily accessible and to a much much wider audience (How many parents REALLY have internet security set up? ), there are generations of kids (some now adults) who have a certain 'belief' of how things should be. Women should be clean shaven, anal sex is expected, and even scarier (and for the more devient kid) the dehumanisation of a woman during sexual activity is normal.

Actually, that said, I think I read it on a web-site that was trying to cap the porn trade over the internet. I digress....

Anyway, such a heavy post for too early an hour lol. Sorry if I've depressed you all!

If people don't like heat they should get out of kitchens. It would be boring if people had the same viwes. Pklenty of things women do are arguably because of sexism and their weak position in many societies but they think it's choice. Foot binding in China was imposed mostly by older women.

Most FMG which most women have in many countries is imposed by women but most of those things at heart go back to a culture where women's worth is based on their ability to attract a man by having small toes or no clitoris or because they are sewed up or in high heels or whatever.

Many of us opt into this culture and society by choice though and find being attractive rather fun. It's a game I don't want to leave at present and men who make no effort also aren't as attractive although certainly in our culture unfairly more requirements are placed on women than men.
I always

Re Welshsara's post about porn. Slightly off-topic but I used to quite enjoy porn; yet my sex life has improved massively since I stopped looking at it.

I used to find it Much harder to concentrate on the moment. Porno images kept intruding, a bit like having lots of strangers in bed with us. It's sooo much more intimate now it's only me and DP.

I've no idea if others have had the same experience, but if yes, and because of increased access to porn more teenagers now are having sex with diminished or nonexistent intimacy, because both parties have a swarm of images in their heads distracting them from the moment, then that is very sad.

In comparison, the business of whether you shave your fanny or not seems rather trivial to me.

Lol and . Have only just realised that I responded to the first or second page in a series of 28! I've missed out on a whole 2 hrs or reading on this topic.

Anyway, OTheHugeManatee, interesting point. I remember finding a cassette of porn in my brothers room one day when he'd long flown the nest and watched it and felt, admittedly, some level of erotica. I've recently watched more porn on the internet (purely investigative of course ) and found it to be repulsive. I'm no prude and at just 38 years young, have a healthy sexual drive, but porn, to me, is a cheap thrill and leaves me feeling grubby. shrugs

I can't believe I OP'd at thread which has nearly 700 posts!
And with an abominable misspelling in the thread title too.
(sigh of happiness)
I am so much more informed.
Is this subject covered in the vagina monologues? I've never seen them.

Xenia, I agree with you but much FMG is carried out in areas where women's value is expressed economically (which actually chimes in with lots of other things you post on MN) - where bride price still exists such that there is value in 'selling' daughters for marriage, there is a stronger patriarchal hold on 'cleanliness' and 'purity'. The answer there is economic independence - as you often say.

Here, I don't think FGM is directly analogous with shaving, although it's an interesting analogy to draw. It's certainly part of the wide spectrum of body modification which westerners engage in seemingly out of consumer choice. But I think people are deluded if they think there are no cultural patterns shaping their choice. We wouldn't dream of saying the same about other cultural patterns: having particular kinds of family, or sexuality, or national identity... People on this thread talk as if 'cleanliness' and 'choice' were just obvious, taken for granted categories. They're really not.

OTheHugeManatee I loved this:

"But then I'm 31, was raised by wolves, and spent most of my twenties hanging out with lesbians so perhaps I'm not that conventional in my cultural wossnames."

Ruskin!!! My mother would be proud. But I don't want to tell her about this fanjo fashion...

Hmmm

Can I throw celebrity culture in here?

I'm old enough to remember when the whole "Brazilian" thing came in. Starting as articles in up-market women's magazines, who are disseminating the habits of celebrities to their lower-class readers. It might be interesting (as a research project) to go back and look at that point, and try and work out the reasons it was adopted there. So there might be a top-down, aspirational element to it.

How about it being a generational signifier too? Marking a shift/reaction against the values/aspirations of a previous generation?

There could be a kind of time-lag/doppler effect as it permeates through the culture and takes hold. so this might be a late reaction against (perceptions about) 70s/80s feminism (mothers) too.

Personally, I, too, think of Ruskin. And India Knight saying "your bf suggesting you get a pre-pubescent fanjo? Get a new bf!"

Well most of the body modificanio is of women because their worth has been in how they look. Even though India has made dowries illegal they remain a huge part of the culture there for many. When girls are as much an investment as boys, because they can earn £1m a year in the City then girls are appreciated for more than their sexual worth. That is coming ecept we have had a slight going back in the last 15 years but also for economic reasons - easier for girls to make money as Jordan etc as if they get a 2/1 and teach. However the overall trend is for an equalisation for men and women which will continue if women don't keep making silly decisions about their careers in their 30s.

All good. All to play for.

There tend to be reactions between one generation and the next - plenty of the young 20 somethings int he UK who take the full burka have mothers who are appalled and wear Western dress but the overall trend is to fairness and more men feel now they have to take more steps to look a certain way so things are evening out.

Your body and life and career is not just your own affair. We are all examples to others whether that is in watch changes we choose to make to our bodies and whether we work and how we treat others.