In being surprised that apparently 98% of UK women under 25 have no pubic hair at all?

[Longstocking2]

Is that true?

A friend who is a practice nurse says she presumes it's just a fashion. None of her women under 25 who come for smear tests have any pubic hair.. all shaved, shorn, waxed to nada.

Obviously that's fine but it seems a little universal to me. Aren't there any rebels out there?
Is it just for the boys they do it?

Does the image not come from porn originally?

{shock]

would love to be enlightened!
Clearly I'm over 25

Dittany you have a reputation as a very vocal feminist on these boards. If you are going to be vocal you have to expect that people will disagree with you. Try reading your posts at around 8.30 this morning and again at 8ish this evening.

Then come back and talk about dictating.

Great...now when I go for a smear etc I will know that the nurse is thinking "Ah..I see she is one of the 2 per cent!"

Libero, you did actually say "I don't think anyone has said that the general trend is nothing to do with porn" which rather suggested you understood there was a broad agreement on this point.

And yes to personal choice, but when everyone's personal choice suddenly starts leaning in a particular direction at the same time, it's reasonable to question what is causing this, and nobody seems to have come up with any suggestions other than the porn link.

Not necessarily the root. I mentioned the Muslim/Middle eastern tradition of waxing although it looks like you'd have to do it DIY rather than going somewhere....

"Am I allowed to get my private parts waxed by someone?

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, thanks a lot for your question, which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to become well acquainted with the teachings of Islam in all aspects of life.

First of all, removing unwanted hair from the body is an act of fitrah. Referring to this, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said ?The fitrah is five things: circumcision, trimming the mustache, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and shaving the pubic hairs? (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

In Islam, we are certainly not allowed to expose ourselves before anyone except our lawful marriage partners.

So, if waxing the private parts is done by anyone other than one?s lawfully married partner, it shall be definitely considered as haram (forbidden). It should be done without exposing one?s private parts to another except one?s spouse.

In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto,Ontario, Canada, states:

If waxing your private parts is done by anyone other than your lawfully married partner, it shall be definitely considered as sinful and therefore haram; so never even contemplate such an activity.

In Islam, we are certainly not allowed to expose ourselves before anyone except our lawful marriage partners (husband in the case of a woman, and wife in the case of a man). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ?Guard your private parts except from your spouse.? The only exception to this rule is in case of a dire necessity like a medical treatment, and, mind you, waxing is never included in this category.

May Allah grant that we love faith, embellishing our hearts with it, and may He cause us to hate disbelief, lewdness, and transgression in all forms. Ameen."

i notice on this thread that the au natural pube gang are telling the shavers/waxers that they shouldn't. i also notice that the shavers/waxers are NOT telling the au naturel gang to depilate. now who is being opressed?

twopeople you are right that there are other aspects to looking like a woman but those are also now slowly becoming unacceptable/undesirable.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8352711.stm

I've missed the "shouldn't" posts, sungirltan. Where were they again?

Nobody is being oppressed sungirltan How can oppress someone by putting forward an argument?

I noticed that too sungirl. I also noticed that there's a hell of a lot of posters who are adamant that their shaving habits are nothing to do with porn and everything to do with what they want. That's being neatly sidestepped as well.

I definitely didn't mean to suggest that I definitely agreed that the general trend is to do with porn, but rather other people have but have also stated that it had nothing to do with their personal decision.

ahem As to giving other suggestions other than the porn link, I have and a few others have, but I at least am clearly being ignored

Then where's the argument Libero? We're all agreed the general trend, NOT all individuals, are influenced by porn.

Excellent. Can wrap this up now then

Libero, you might have given alternative explanations to individual decisions, but not to the trend as far as I can see, which after all is what the OP was all about.

Sungirl that's just because shaving is taking an pro-active position.

NOT shaving is actually doing nothing whatsoever.

I haven't noticed anyone telling others not to shave btw. I thought this was a thread about a relatively modern phenomenon and it's possible roots.

I told DH this when shopping - he was horny for hours afterwards

What I've posted has pretty much been the same again and again. It wasn't people stating that it was a general trend to do with porn that I had an issue with, it was people insisting to others who stated that it was not their reason as individuals that they were mistaken/lying/misguided that annoyed me because then it moves from being what some might consider to be a reason behind a general trend to becoming an absolute, singular and only reason regardless of what anyone else says - that is neither a true nor fair supposition.

As a lot of people seem to be rather offended by this discussion perhaps we should have an amnesty and agree that all individuals on this thread are operating entirely of their own volition and outside of any wider cultural influence.

Meanwhile there might be an interesting discussion to be had as to just what it is that has made so many young women now feel the need to do something which 30 years ago was relatively rare.

I do think it is qualitatively different from armpit shaving (although certainly related) in that armpits have for some time been accepted as a public part of the body. Armpit hair is somewhat tricky to coif and consequently can look rather untidy with evening wear . Perhaps this is what has changed - that women's genitals are no longer seen as private in the way that they once were.

That's a very interesting point about privacy Zephirine. I think there's a lot in that.

dittany you and others have opening criticised them and sted numerous times that we only do it because we are influenced by porn etc. since the oppression of women by porn culture is frowned upon by the feminist movement you can hardly claim that you approve.

god. this is like the image debate i have with people from time to time when they claim to 'not be bothered about image' which i don't think many westerners can claim at all.

fwiw i shave off everything. got the idea from a magazine years ago. thought i'd have a go. preferred it lots to being hairy, never looked back. had nothing to do with pleasing a man and still doesn't. even dh says he can take or leave a bald fanny!

Perhaps there is a link to underwear design?

Not thong/french/granny pants but the design in terms of lace, detailing and material.

And I think there's a lot that's disturbing in that.

(that was in response to Zephirine - love the name btw)