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Husband Has been Sectioned under the mental health act.... help

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simplyexcellent · 02/01/2011 22:30

My husband and I are separated, long story but he has now been sectioned under the mental health act, he has been in a psychiatric unit for over 2 months involuntary. He wants to see our children ages between 2 and 7. I am happy for contact but I do not know what is wrong with him, what medication he is on etc..... He will not allow the Drs' to speak to me and under the data protection etc they are not allowed to without his consent. I have also said that it should be in a contact centre one to one with notes taken. He has attempted suicide twice and I just don't know what to do, no one seems to want to help me. What are your views??? Am I being unreasonable for now allowing contact until I get some medical disclosure? Has anyone else any experience of this.... I am at a loss as what to do. :(

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Memoo · 03/01/2011 01:14

I spent a few weeks in a psych hospital in the summer. They are not as scary as they sound. Nothing was nailed down. My bags were searched when i arrived and I wasn't allowed to keep my phone charger. They also confiscated my razor, and my bottle of essential oils because they were glass. The window also had a kind of mesh panel over it and there was a glass panel in the door that staff peer through every 15 minutes and also you can't lock your door. Had a en-suite though Grin could always wander freefly around the ward, into tv room etc. There was a family room in a completely seperate section of the hospital so well away from the ward that could be booked for an hour at a time DH would bring the DC to see me most days.

Have to say though that the staff were amazing! I was treated with so much respect, evrybody really listened and made time to come and sit with us.

Have to say my overally experince was very positive.

Don't mean to go off track but do think its important for people to know what psychiatric wards are really like now.

Memoo · 03/01/2011 01:18

Hmm wander freefly?? Think I should be back there Grin

ItsGraceAgain · 03/01/2011 01:50

Hi, OP, I too have been a psychiatric in-patient and thought most of your thread was somwewhat on the hysterical side. That was until I read that your children's father has a personality disorder and paranoid schizophrenia, and you have a non-molestation order. Heavy stuff. I really think you should listen to ilovetiffany and mathanxiety, who have directly relevant experience.

From what you've written, I feel it's a mistake to want him to be a part of your children's lives.

Good luck with all this. Take advice, and accept help. Hope Court goes well for you.

MummieHunnie · 03/01/2011 02:20

Hi, your post reminds me of some of the things I went through with my exh. He was diagnosed as having an adjustment disorder by a private psychiatrist, I think there is a lot more to it. He was doing the crazy stuff you describe like the wanting to control from afar, the phone calls etc, without the suicide attempts.

I used to think the same was as you also about bending over backwards to keep kids in his life, and trying to make things better.

I was too soft to get orders as you did and I was ignorant really that I needed them, those things are great when it comes to family court.

I survived that. I survived self representing in court and I was not in a good positionas exh presented as very sane to cafcass. I presented as you do on this thread as angry and bitter, which is perfectly normal when it is ongoing for year and your kids are being hurt.

I think you need to go and get therapy and it should be done asap, please don't take this as a bad thing. If you have lived with an abusive man with a personality disorder and you are behaving as you are, then you have a distorted view of his entitlement, and probably a low self esteem for yours and your children's entitlement. You will also be vounerable to other people taking over his role. You need after all that abuse to fix you, to keep your kids and you safe. Personality disorders are not easy to cure unless borderline personality disorder from what I understand. This will be a life long problem that courts/police/friends/family can't protect you from long term. There will come a time when your ex will be released, he will function well enough, he will learn ways around court orders and continue in lots of ways as you are the mother of his kids. You need to make yourself strong now, these people don't always go away. The best way to beat them is to have nothing to do with them and to become strong through therapy yourself.

If you want advice on self representing pm me x

HollyBollyBooBoo · 03/01/2011 02:27

Simplyexcellent - really feel for you and your situation, you sound as though you have been through hell of a lot already, dig deep and stay strong!

Have to agree with adversecamber with regards to taking your children to see their father...my sister and I were taken to see our Nana in a psych ward years ago. Whilst I'm sure the wards have physically changed a lot in that time as our understanding of mental illness has improved, just seeing someone you love in that environment, clearly not mentally healthy, has haunted my sister and I ever since.

Don't think your 2 year old will remember any visit to the unit (memories are very scarce in the first 4 years of life) but your 7 year old certainly will. Sorry to sound selfish but I'd be reluctant to take them just because I wouldn't want them to have that memory of their Father in that situation.

onmyfeet · 03/01/2011 02:31

I also don't think he needs to be a part of your children s lives at this time. Perhaps when he has made progress. They are young and with luck, will not be too scared from their previous living with him.
His wants shouldn't be more important than the childrens well being. I hope they as well as yourself, are in counseling to help deal with what they/you have all witnessed and been thorough. You may have said but I skimmed a lot of the thread(headachy night)
I know you have been through hell, and wish you the strength you need to get through this. Good luck.

simplyexcellent · 03/01/2011 14:02

Thank you for all your kind words and support. I am at a loss as what to do. Just had a call from the police to say that he may be released from the hospital tomorrow. OMG that scares me, even his mother thinks that he may harm me...... the system is wrong and too much red tape in place. What do I do?

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loopylou6 · 03/01/2011 14:12

Omg how frightening for you. I wouldn't be letting him contact the children at all. can you go and stay somewhere for a while?

simplyexcellent · 03/01/2011 14:15

No I have no one to stay with.... I know if they let him out he will be back in there within a week, he has no stability or no where to live... He will just go on a self destruction mission......

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Unwind · 03/01/2011 14:26

Can you call the police for their advice?

Best of luck - I am so sorry you have to go through this.

ItsGraceAgain · 03/01/2011 14:27

Have the police offered you a panic button? Try asking to speak with the DV advisor.

You could do with some help on emotional detachment, by the sound of it - if you're this terrified by the possibility of his release, he's got all the power atm, and you need to take yours back. For now, remember you can call 999 at the first sign of violence (if there is one), even shouting. Put bolts on the inside of your house doors.

Horrid for you, to live with this uncertainty. Lots of long, slow breaths, please! Make yourself practical and firm. Good luck :)

susall · 03/01/2011 14:32

I have no experience in this field so cannot offer any advice other than please do what is best for you and your children and stay safe. Good luck for when you go to court xxx

HollyBollyBooBoo · 03/01/2011 14:34

You must call the Police if you truly think he may harm you or your children, no point in taking any risk with your or your DCs personal safety is there?

CarGirl · 03/01/2011 18:20

By stop facilitating contact I meant stop allow the phone calls, the letters, photos etc etc stop the bending over backwards to accommodate him.

I'm sorry to read that he's being released. I can only suggest you speak to womans aid and the polic for advice etc.

If he even turns up I'd be phoning 999.

hairyfairylights · 03/01/2011 18:24

If he is sectioned op, then your comment about three meals a day etc is very uncharitable. He will be suffering severely and either a danger to himself or others.

People don't get sectioned fun, generally.

Yanbu in wanting further info.

mathanxiety · 03/01/2011 20:03

I think the three meals a day comment came from SE feeling very overwhelmed by everyday life with the children, unsupported, forgotten and out of the loop. Not from any sense that the ex was living it up.

Simply get bolts for the door and put them on. Get torches and batteries and food essentials. Get a neighbour or two to keep watch for you and ask if you and the DCs could run to some house if necessary. Talk to WA get on the phone immediately and don't be discouraged if they're busy. Leave messages. Talk to the police DV officer.

I would be very inclined to not pick up the phone if he calls -- can you screen calls or do you know what number he might be calling from?

Don't hesitate to call the police. But let them know now that you may be calling some time soon. Contact info for MIND helplines

simplyexcellent · 03/01/2011 20:40

3 meals a day comment was in reference to me struggling keeping everything going at home with 2 young children. Whilst I doubt he enjoys his time in hospital, its easy for him and some days I would swap places for a week or two for rest bite. I am sure that any other single parent after caring for their children on their own without the support of anyone else would feel the same.

Thank you for your advice I have spoken to the police and it appears he will not be out tomorrow or any time soon thank goodness. That was the Mother in Law just causing trouble for me with the police..... like I haven't enough to worry about.

DV are going to catch up with me later in the week. xx

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mathanxiety · 03/01/2011 20:43

Very glad you have been able to take the initiative here and well done.

It's worth your while to make some preparations for the eventuality that he will be released some day. You'll feel less like a person completely at the mercy of someone else if you have a few things in place.

hairyfairylights · 03/01/2011 20:45

Sorry but it is not easy at all being sectioned. I'm
writing this to redress the balance a bit as there seem to be some quite hysterical
attitudes to mental illness here.

However I feel your concern for you children is right and you must ensure any contact Is only after you are satisfied that he is not a risk and only under supervision.

CarGirl · 03/01/2011 20:46

How nice of your MIL, not Shock

Mummy2Bookie · 03/01/2011 20:47

YANBU
I would deny contact until I had more info and then it would be supervised. I don't want to upset you, but there have been so many stories in the media recently about dads who have killed/ attempted to kill their dc's due to greed, mental illness etc.

simplyexcellent · 03/01/2011 20:53

I don't mean to sound bitter but my EH tortured me for 13 years, he slept with hookers, took drugs, had sex with my personal trainer, abused me and the children. God pays debts in strange ways and maybe him being in that hospital is his punishment. I am still unsure if there is anything actually wrong with him or whether he is just having a tantrum because for once he can't get his own way or control me..... MH is a terrible thing and I feel for anyone who has ever suffered with it. I had PND with my first child and it was awful, especially when my DH used to mock me and say that I was cuckoo.

some people seem to forget the victims of MH in the Politically Correct world we live in today.

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Actuallawyer · 03/01/2011 20:58

Take a friend with you to act as a McKenzie friend provided that you think they are sensible enough to stay calm and as detatched as possible. They need to know that they can whisper in your ear but not address the Judge directly.

If your ex is in receipt of legal aid, I would ask the Court whether there could be a risk assesment from a psychiatrist/psychologist. This is possible, the sticking point is going to be that you won't want to fund the costs of it yourself.

If you're behaving reasonably, and are putting the children's best interests first, the Court will be sympathetic. I don't consider it unreasonable to say that you won't agree to contact without proper information from his doctor/another doctor who has examined him. Also worth mentioning to the Judge your attempts to seek assistance from social services.

Good luck!

simplyexcellent · 03/01/2011 21:07

Thank you for your very good advise.

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cestlavielife · 12/01/2011 23:56

hi simply, hope it goes well tomorrow.

long saga here of exP's MH issues, been thru contact centre supervised contact etc etc...nearly 3 years ..have currently cut contact since oct due to his again regresion into "depression and anxiety"... taking it further with SS etc as DC have disclosed more info on his behaviour ...

you can ask court to ask for full medical disclosure. try asking for this anyway - if they ask cafcass to do report then ask for this to be part of cafcass remit - not sure if you will get but ask... CAFCASS will ask police anyway for sure so non mol order etc will go into that...

just keep stating you want only supervised contact at a contact centre to ensure DCs safety and given the history.

hopefully they will order CAFCASS report - and interim contact at a contact centre.

it can take time to set up tho, some centres have wait lists depends where you are.

but stick to saying without full disclosure on his MH issues then you can only feel secure for the DC with supervised contact. this buys time...

if you making it clear to judge you in favour of contact but only when you can be sure it is safe i.e. contact centre then you will come out looking fine...

with CAFCASS try not to appear "angry" - just state hard facts..

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