Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Stopping my mother from seeing my daughter

108 replies

lalaandcj · 01/01/2011 18:46

My mother and I have never really gotten on, our relationship has never really been what you would describe as close. When I found out I was pregnant just over 5 years ago, we were not even on speaking terms, but I decided that my baby should know her Grandmother and so I resolved to try and put our differences aside in order for that to happen. Our relationship has never really gotten any better, but her relationship with my Daughter has generally been very good.

My mother used to have my Daughter overnight on a Monday and watch her on a Tuesday while I was at work, and my Grandparents would have my Daughter overnight on a Wednesday and watch her on a Thursday, because I could not afford to pay a full weeks nursery fees (I'm a single mum, with no contribution for my Daughters dad.) This arrangement seemed to go okay, there were a few ups and downs, I had a few problems with the way my mother behaved with my child sometimes as she tended to treat her like she was her daughter, not mine, making decisions without consulting me and even telling my Daughter to keep secrets from me on occassions when she knew that I wouldn't agree with what she had done. There were also times when she would completely disregard things that I had said, even silly things, for example, my Daughter is a huge Disney Princess fan, and so when the Princess and the Frog was shown at the cinema I asked my mother not to take my Daughter to see it as I had promised that I would take her, and when she returned from my mothers house the following day she had been taken to watch it. Although these things did bother me, I just put it down to her being an overbearing Grandparent and short of stopping her from seeing my Daughter, which I did not want to do, as I didn't want to do anything that might upset my Daughter, there wasn't a lot that I could do about it.

However, my Daughter recently started full time school and I did not think it would be fair on her to continue sleeping at other peoples houses during term-time as I want her to be in a proper routine. Also, my daughter had started asking why I didn't pick her up from nursery every day and why she had to sleep at Nana and Grandma's house all the time, so I promised her that when she started 'big school' I would take her to, and collect her from, school everyday and she would spend every night at home in her own bed. I told both my mother and my Grandparents about this at the time and no-one seemed to have a problem with it.

As the new School term approached in September I tried to come to agreements with both my mother and my Grandparents so that they could still see my Daughter every week. My Grandparents agreed to come over to our house on a Wednesday afternoon and have dinner with us, so that they could continue to see my Daughter on a regular basis, and I asked my mother if she would like to have my Daughter on Monday afternoons every week between 4-7 but my mother became quite aggressive, saying that she wanted to have my Daughter on a Monday afternoon from 4-7, a Tuesday afternoon from 4-7, and to have my daughter overnight every Fri until 6pm on a Sat and if I didn't agree she was going to go and see a Solicitor. I then offered to let her have my Daughter on a Monday afternoon from 4-7 and on a Tuesday afternoon from 4 until half past 5 (to take my Daughter to her Ballet Class) as a compromise.

After this disagreement my daughter would become quite aggressive with me when she returned from spending time with my mother, throwing terrible temper tantrums and telling me that I was nasty and that she hated me, I put it down to the fact that she was worried about starting at a new school, but then one day she came home and said to my Grandmother 'My mummy doesn't care about me, she only cares about herself' and when my Grandmother asked her who had said this to her she replied that Nana had said it. This comment had a terrible effect on my Daughter, she became very clingy and would no longer sleep in her own bed at night, she was also very upset. I tried to decide what to do for the best and thought that maybe if I spoke to my mother and told her the effect that those words had had on my Daughter, she might stop, my mother denied ever saying it, but things did seem to start to improve.

When my daughter started school things seemed to be going okay with the new routine, then after 2 weeks I received a letter from a solicitor saying that my mother wanted contact on Monday and Tuesday afternoons from 4-7 and overnight contact once a fortnight from 4pm on a Friday until 6pm on a Saturday. The letter also clearly stated that my mother had told the solicitor that I had stopped all contact between her and my daughter, before my Daughter started school and that I was continuing to refuse her access. I really did not know what to do, but I decided that if she was willing to lie to a Solicitor to try to get her own way and threaten to take me to Court, then it was more than likely that she had been saying things to my Daughter to try to upset her and me, so I decided that I was no-longer comfortable with her having my Daughter unsupervised, as I no longer trusted her to behave in an appropriate manner around my child. At this point (in September) i stopped all contact.

Four months later, things have gone from bad to worse, she has made terrible accusations against me, saying that I have deliberately hurt my Daughter and that she is going to phone Social Services on me. She has threatened to go on the Jeremy Kyle show, and when I told her that there was no way that I would go on there with her, she told me she didn't care, she was only going on to tell the whole world what a terrible person I am, she has told countless lies to my friends and family about me (thankfully most of them know that it is all lies), and since we are now going to Court for a contact order, she is threatening to sue me for her costs, which are going to be at least £1500.

I am sorry for all the rambling, but I wanted to put down as much of the background information as I can think of. There is more, but I don't want to go on too much, because I really need some advice about how to deal with this, I can't afford a solicitor and I'm not entitled to Legal aid because I work part time. I just wondered if anyone has been in a similar situation and can help me, I just want to do what's best for my Daughter, and I can't see how making her spend time with someone who is willing to behave like this can be what's best for her. I also don't understand how a court can force me to allow my mother to see my daughter when she has behaved in such a way. Please help, i'm at my wits end now and really do not know what to do!

Thanks!

OP posts:
A1980 · 01/01/2011 20:00

PS while grandparetns do technically have rights to see their grandchildren, courts are much more cautious and much less likely to order it especailly where there is a dificult family back ground.

mjinsparklystockings · 01/01/2011 20:04

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

mjinsparklystockings · 01/01/2011 20:07

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

mamatomany · 01/01/2011 20:10

A friend of mine has to share residency with her parents because she allowed the child to live with the grandparents for a short while, a few months, whilst she got her head together. The child then went back to my friend who tried to cut the controlling grandparents out, they got a court order, had the child returned to them and now have a court order for contact every weekend.
It can happen and I would try and sort this out without the courts being involved as your mother sounds a nasty piece of work.

A1980 · 01/01/2011 20:11

mjin some LA solciotrs are shit at reporting back to the LSC. They are meant to pull the plug on funding if they refuse to negotiate but how many do that alot of the time? Who knows?!

Your DH's situation involves a parent. The court is more likely to award very generous contact to a parent especially if they are coming out of a marriage and the child has been living with the paretn on a full time basis up uintil the split. That's very different to a grandparent.

I think the OP's main point should be that the grandmother asking for contact from 4pm on Friday until 6pm on Saturday every week is unreasonable and that this means the mother never gets a full weekend with her daughter and I feel that argument carries alot of weight. I think a reasonable offer to make is after school once or twice a week and over night contact once a month.

A1980 · 01/01/2011 20:12

The cuts for LA family work have already happened. They are pretty hefty cuts!

But for all we know the OP's mum could be private paying. The comment about suing the OP for her legal costs make me think she might be.

olderyetwider · 01/01/2011 20:13

Why did you ask her to have your daughter so much, if you think so little of her, and are so concerned now?

scurryfunge · 01/01/2011 20:14

Grandparents have no automatic right in law but can apply for a contact order if they can show they have a meaningful and fulfilling relationship with the child. Just remember OP, the right is not automatic!

HaveAHappyNewJung · 01/01/2011 20:15

Your mother sounds toxic. You should IMHO cut all contact.

stropicana2011 · 01/01/2011 20:16

ASs far as I'm aware grandparents have no rights. My parents for good reason have no contact with my dcs.

However I do think you have made a mistake using your mother for free childcare and then seemingly stopping this arrangement because it suited you? Hmm Sorry but that is how it seems.

lalaandcj · 01/01/2011 20:18

Firstly I think I need to clarify, my mother did not watch my daughter overnight from birth she started watching her once a week overnight about 18months ago and thats why I changed the contact to 2 times a week once my daughter started school, as I felt that that meant that she could still see my daughter and spend time with her every week in the same way. I understand what you're saying but I dont feel that free childcare entitles my mother to say hurtful, distressing things to my 4 year old daughter.

OP posts:
IAmReallyFabNow · 01/01/2011 20:20

Bloody hell ShockAngry.

You have done the right thing stopping all contact and your priority now has to be to make your daughter feel safe and secure again.

My mother has also been to a solicitor and got her friend to phone my inlaws pretending to be a solicitor to get access to my children as she thinks it is her right as their grandmother. This woman dumped me on a doorstep when I was weeks old because she wanted to go and fuck her boyfriend so no, she has no rights and she can fuck right off.

Sorry, went off on one there.

mjinsparklystockings · 01/01/2011 20:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

scurryfunge · 01/01/2011 20:21

lalaaandjc,
You are right. Regardless of previous childcare arrangements, your mother(or anyone else) does not have the right to emotionally damage your child.

olderyetwider · 01/01/2011 20:22

Free child care, then all change!!!! Shock Monday to Thursday with other people looking after her for free(or 'watching' her, whatever that means), thn you just drop it when it suits you.

It's you who's toxic in this, OP

mamatomany · 01/01/2011 20:24

The judges are there to ensure fairness and reasonable behaviour from both parties but that includes the mother, the time to cut all contact was before she was born, the OP will have this woman in her life until the DD decides otherwise, what you do not want, as my friend has is a court order dictating the terms because it may not suit you so you want to keep things pleasant and therefore flexible.

A1980 · 01/01/2011 20:24

You'll have your opportunity to explain that the arragement is now no longer working and that it is distressing and undermining your realtionship with your DD now.

I don't think a court will hand over contact of a 4 yo every weekend to the grandmother when it's the only time you have with her.

Your mum is likely to argue that you used her for child care and no want to stop it BUT you have offered her an alternative: twice a weeks after school and I think that is reasonable. DId you put that offer is writing to her lwayers or do you not wish for her to have any contact at all ever again?

skyswept · 01/01/2011 20:26

If your mum has been trying to negatively influence your daughter YOU should contact social service yourself and establish the problems from your side. You have witnesses.

YANBU

stropicana2011 · 01/01/2011 20:27

I understand what you're saying but I dont feel that free childcare entitles my mother to say hurtful, distressing things to my 4 year old daughter.

Agree OP but you seemed to have dumped your mother once it suited you ie you don't need free childcare anymore. I'm not saying allow contact but I think you have not dealt with this well.

I have a friend who used her inlaws for free, flexi childcare then dumped them when her ds started school. [shocked] DS is now not allowed to see gps unsupervised.

floatyjosmum · 01/01/2011 20:30

i totally agree with what you have done and just as a side issue when its family proceedings yoou dant sue the other one for costs so if she'd not entitled to legal aid then she will have to pay

mjinsparklystockings · 01/01/2011 20:31

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

humanoctopus · 01/01/2011 20:32

I have a rather drastic solution:

Move to another country.

The Hague Convention doesn't cover grandparents (inter country abduction. etc) and your local court would not have juristiction over you then.

I can only imagine the damage if your mother has even limited contact with your daughter over the coming years.

Parenting can be challenging enough, without the toxic force/higher court of appeal that your mother is.

A1980 · 01/01/2011 20:33

Why is everyone saying the OP gave her mother a hard time and "dropped" her when she didn't need her any more.

As I see it, the situaiton cahnged becasue the child started school. The OP hasn't just decided to drop it as it suited her, the child started school. Is the child not meant to go to school and continue the child care arrangemetns instead of school? Should the OP not send the child to school and send her to her mums for care instead?

The child started school which meant the OP didn't need as much child care and that is a circumstances cahnge rather than a decisison to dump her mum. She still offered her contact for several housr twice a week after school.

mamatomany · 01/01/2011 20:35

Move to another country.

And be arrested at the airport if you ever returned to the UK, that was how my friend found out her parents had been to court they waited until she took the child on holiday and got the court order, she had to hand him over to the police at 3 am.

stropicana2011 · 01/01/2011 20:38

And be arrested at the airport if you ever returned to the UK, that was how my friend found out her parents had been to court they waited until she took the child on holiday and got the court order, she had to hand him over to the police at 3 am.

Shock
Swipe left for the next trending thread