To think that having two kids who don't sleep and a bad bout of pms turned me into a ranting, raving loony last weekend!

[MsKLo]

I have two gorgeous kids

But they are terrible sleepers!

I haven't had a decent night's kip in YEARS and I also had a particularly bad bout of pms at the weekend which, I fear, turned me into a ranting, raving loony who was grumpy and arsey with everyone and anyone!

Is it rwasonalble to blame the tiredness and the pms?!

I never used to get sooooo grumpy!

Reasonable even!

Totally and comletely reasonable. I had two like that - didn't have an unbroken night's sleep for 8 years and nobody understood. The worst is now 15 and can sleep for England!

Eight years! Aghhh!

I have a good few years to go then

X

Do you ever get back to feeling normal then?!

Mine were very bad though. Once they started sleeping I had lost the habit and just don't seem to need so much sleep now. It's a bummer really but I do feel completely normal again though. Not sure if that was the sleep or them growing up a bit though and being able to do things like nip to the shops on my own, read a book, go to the loo on my own, have a shower in peace. It gets better OP - IMO teenagers are much much easer than toddlers.

I was coming on to sympathise MsKLo but now onceamai has terrified me, my oldest is only 2.3yo (not slept a full night since sep 08) so I'm a long way off! :(

I also have terrible PMS now, never used to before but it has returned with a vengeance! I could have gladly killed DP last week!

And onceamai you're right, people don't understand about the tiredness! MY SIL's DD has slept through from 12 weeks and has had a couple of unsettled nights in 8 months and goes on and on about it! I think really...???

If it's any consolation, I've got a biggish gap and there were periods of sleep (although DS only ever needed 8 hours tops) but punctuated by ear infections - both DC and big time, and major events, like starting nursery, school, etc.

Time for bed for me now - just sent DS up!

Baby has woken for a feed again... Trying to get her off the boob at night is another matter!

At least the eldest is sleeping well tonight!