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to think that dragging a disabled man out of his wheelchair is appalling behaviour?

352 replies

lowrib · 13/12/2010 22:35

Protester Jody McIntyre - who has cerebral palsy - being pulled from his wheelchair onto the road by police at the recent protest.

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Disgusting behaviour.

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LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 16:49

Lets be honest-the Police can't win with the amount of red tape they're wrapped up in. IF they hadn't have tipped him out, and instead wheeled him away, there would have been uproar that they were using the wheelchair to their "advantage". It's a no win situation. But some little video doesn't really show the full scenario from the entire day.

LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 16:51

CCPCCP I stand behind you firmly in what you've said, I believe that! If it had been a man standing up and behaving in the same manner he would have been "taken down". I don't feel sympathy to criminals, disabled or otherwise. Furthermore, if he was in a wheelchair perhaps he shouldn't have been hanging about at protests/riots.

ccpccp · 15/12/2010 16:54

Standing toe to toe is exactly what he did nightmarebeforechristma.

Watch the video of the first 'incident'. He stands up in his chair and starts giving abuse to the nearest policeman.

StoodAProleyCattleShed · 15/12/2010 16:57

"the police can't win"?

They got off scot free for killing Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson didn't they?

WTF @ some of the attitudes on display here

donkeyderby · 15/12/2010 16:59

Yes, LifeForRent, disabled people should be back in the care home, being fed jelly before Horlicks in a feeder cup and bed at 5.30pm. How dare he join a student protest, what with him being a student and all.

ccpccp - how does 'giving abuse' require being tipped out of his wheelchair? Verbal abuse isn't dangerous. Can't the police take a bit of lip?

scurryfunge · 15/12/2010 17:00

He obstructed the police.

He was moved to the side of the road.

It was for his own safety.

LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 17:01

Yeah but as soon as your homes/cars get broken into, they're your first port of call.

No I think if the "protest" (it sticks in my throat even calling it that) was likely to be like the last one (violent) he should've stayed out of the way.

He obviously wasn't keeping the peace, and was reprimanded. If he wasn't in a wheelchair no one would care how he was treated by the police.

People in wheelchairs tend to want equality in everything they do...not favouritism.

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:02

Criminals! Not supposed to exercise our democratic right to protest?!

God almighty.

It's very clear, ccpccp and LifeForRent, that what you actually dislike is the idea of people protesting. Regardless of wheelchairs, etc.

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:03

x-posted with LFR proving my point...

donkeyderby · 15/12/2010 17:04

The police could have wheeled him to one side. Why did they have to tip him out?

StoodAProleyCattleShed · 15/12/2010 17:06

What would you prefer, a ban on protests? Cart these troublemakers off to the gulag or just exterminate them on the spot? FFS

LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 17:06

I'm all up for peaceful protesting. Not by hooligans looking for a fight. THey don't deserve the right to protest. I'm big on free speech and the right to protest (I protested for the Muslims to be allowed to protest against the British troops coming home).

BUT if you are, I don't know, 9 months pregnant, 85 years old, in a wheelchair, and you know the "protest" is not going to be peaceful, and you think you'll be getting away from the law because you are, 9 months pregnant, 85 years old, in a wheelchair, by misbehaving, then you are mistaken and should be reprimanded.

nightmarebeforechristma · 15/12/2010 17:08

ccpccp sorry missed that bit.
the bloke was in the wrong, but there is never an excuse for dragging him out of his wheelchair........it is a wheel chair, you wheel it away,

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:08

"It was for his own safety" No, it could have seriously injured him for all the copper knew. Moving him in the wheelchair to the side of the road would have been for his own safety. And don't sodding whinge how hard that would be to do, even if he put the brakes on he could be fairly safely dragged on the stationery back wheels. The fact that his brother was wheeling him (in interviews and on video) means that this was a wheelchair that can be pushed!

LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 17:10

Be realistic, if the police had "wheeled" him away there would have been uproar that they were patronising him and treating him like an invalid.

I can walk but if I was breaking the law, the likely hood the police would either tackle me to the ground or escort me kicking and screaming (should I suddenly lose my etiquette and become a criminal).

nightmarebeforechristma · 15/12/2010 17:14

even a powered chair can be pushed, the police should know how to do this, they should be trained, it isn't hard.
I don't agree with what the bloke was doing, but am aghast(oooh like that word) that anyone can think dragging in him out of his wheel chair(highlighting the Wheel bit so it is obvious)is bloody wrong.

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:14

Why, LFR?

scurryfunge · 15/12/2010 17:15

I would guess that the quickest thing at the time was to pick him up and move him to the side of the road - not always easier to faff around when someone is likely to be hurt in the midst of the disorder. Have you ever tried moving a wheelchair that is locked? Tipping him up and dragging him backwards would be criticised aswell, anyway.

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:15

Sorry, why would wheeling a person in a wheelchair be patronising?

baildonwen · 15/12/2010 17:17

Without knowing all the facts its hard to judge but picking him up and carrying him to the side would be quicker than wheeling him. I don't know whether this level of urgency was needed though.

nightmarebeforechristma · 15/12/2010 17:18

easy you just take the brakes off
blimey it isn't a car, it is easy to use a wheelchair.

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:20

scurry you're on a losing wicket here.

He wasn't in front of a speeding train, so a few seconds here and there makes no difference.
It may even have been quicker to wheel him than go through the multiple stages of throwing him on the ground, picking him enough to drag him
Have frequently forgotten to take brakes off wheelchair (or put them on, on station platform Blush), they just drag.

Person after person here has said it's not the moving him they're shocked by (as long as it was legal, of course), it was the potentially incredibly harmful act of tipping him out.

LifeForRent · 15/12/2010 17:20

Because despite demanding equality they want favouritism. IF they had wheeled him away they would've starting moaning that they are "human beings" blah blah blah.

nightmarebeforechristma · 15/12/2010 17:22

"Because despite demanding equality they want favouritism"

who the fuck are "they"

ThisIsANiceCage · 15/12/2010 17:23
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