To try and start a campaign to stop the uk release of 'A Serbian film'

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I'm not suggesting anyone read the synopsis as that's disgusting enough. But I don't know how the government can allow this disgusting film to be released!

Surely this sort of film encourages paedophillia and violent rape.

There are more slaves alive now than there has been before at any time in the history of the world. The majority of this is sex trafficking.

I'm revolted that a film like this can be given even a censored release date (10th)

My dh hates horror films, really hates them.

I had to watch the last 20 minutes of 'Hostel' on my own as he refused as it was so awful (I have to finish watching a film once I've started it).

I was glad I did actually as the guy got his come-uppance (he got his penis cut off) and the actress who did it became an interesting character when at the beginning it looked like they hadn't given her a personality at all.

revolting film though, would never watch subsequent versions - a clearly stupid friend of mine had told me it was like the original 'Saw' (which I thought was a very clever film - and there were no women in it at all that I remember - a good psychological film - never seen subsequent ones though as I've heard they rely on the torture of women)

?psycho woman-haters like Martin Scorsese, Roman Polanksi and David Cronenberg as influences.?

?male directors making titillating films about unspeakable harm being done to women and children?

?Film is one of the bastions of woman hatred in western culture. Lots of male directors are pretty much psychopaths with the violence they depict and the hatred of women they transmit through their art. Sick minds promoting their sickness and their values through their work. Just because it's art doesn't mean it needs defending.?

Dittany said the above.

REPEAT - I'm not denying or affirming woman hatred in this film. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT. I do not pronounce on things I have not seen. Same with pornography. I do not think that people should cry censorship on subject matter or what they have read on the internet. I do not think that people should campaign for banning films they have not seen.

Ever seen Catherine Breillat's A Ma Soeur - that's got some pretty unsettling things to say about rape (and the rape of children as well) - and she's a feminist film-maker... I think it's right that such films exist.

"Women blind themselves to woman-hatred and even train themselves to enjoy it sometimes, because actually taking a stand against it is much too hard."

Not blind to women hatred at all. Four years of academic research in feminist film analysis, twelve years of working in the film industry. I find it helpful to watch the films I discuss. You must try it sometime.

I have said this before and I will say it again...this film is to excite and titillate ,disgust and appall ....tis angry and depraved...just the description of the content tells me this...I actually don't want my mind stained with this bull-shit..no matter what the 'Director' (who did not live through conflict) says, I would have maybe respected him more for saying 'I wanted to see how many countries we could get this film banned in' than to associate it with the depair and distress caused by conflict and oppression..it pisses on those victims..imo

How come every single thread that mentions feminism ends up with a bunch of women being rude and abusive to each other?

Entertaining for me but hardly embracing the central message of feminism I wouldn't have thought....

Thanks Dittany for the advice. Bowing out of this thread to come to terms with my self-hatred and internalised oppression.

Enjoy the movie when you go see it.

the point about Ingmar Bergman is that one of his first films was about two men raping and murdering a young girl actually.

I'm never abusive to other women...just state my point...in this case to argue for a film that includes child and baby rape as some sort of allegory for the suffering of a people during war...sorry but I don't buy it..tell the story...you chose to express yourself using depravity?..thats about you and your issues..

I haven't seen anyone defending them

Instead everyone has said that it sounds awful, that they don't want to see it, and that it sounds like it uses 'art' to justify extreme pornography.

I haven't noticed anyone on this thread saying they're going to be paying money to these fuckers and seeing the film.

Nancy - plenty of feminist threads where everyone is polite.... they don't tend to be the ones with 100s of posts but then that's the same with the rest of Mumsnet. It's not like getting cross is exclusive to feminist threads - there is some quite vituperative stuff going on elsewhere to do with phonics at the moment.
Anyway this film is clearly enough to make anyone lose their cool.

(sorry couldn't resist)...

Pofakked you don't want to see this movie right?...you are not in defense of this film?...just for freedom of speech...and that i can respect ...but these people go past that...they actually manipulate freedom to contain depravity and distress and is that about freedom?...or is that about control?...is that about disrespect?..is that about the dehumanisation of women and children?

Listen very carefully dittany. I said twice before you make that remark that I was not going to see the film, I did not want to because of the content. So if you had read my posts you wouldn't have led yourself 'logically' to that conclusion. It proves you do not read people's posts. You shout other people down and ignore anything that does not give the opportunity to make the same remark again and again. I am not being misleading at all. You have been nothing but incredibly unpleasant.

I am not going to enter into any kind of debate with you about this subject. I am merely not going to allow you to repeatedly insult me.

Is that about the the way people have become desensitised about the pain caused to others?

pofakked what do you feel about my questions?

Mumcentreplus I am here for one reason only and it is not to debate with people who are only interested in being abusive.