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Good news on the homeless

89 replies

GabbyLoggon · 27/11/2010 10:59

My area is spending almost like 3 million
quid on a facility for the homeless.
I think it charity money.

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GabbyLoggon · 03/12/2010 12:56

I would like to thank you last 3 posters forcontributing

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GabbyLoggon · 04/12/2010 11:39

n the homeless. Experts say the govt and local councils put out dodgylow estimates of the numbers.....they would, it suits their purpose

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bethelbeth · 04/12/2010 12:24

From my own personal experience of 'the homeless', in Glasgow, an alcoholic, ne'er do well relative of mine was homeless for 1 week before they found him a flat.

Since this, I cannot help but eye homeless people with suspicion as if it was this easy
for him then in theory why should it be any different for anyone else.

Not looking to be flamed here but probably will. Anyhoo that's my tuppence worth.

And Gabby if you're likening yourself to Mr Shakespeare then you're deluded as well as talking a load of cack

GabbyLoggon · 04/12/2010 12:35

bethrude I dont liken myself to anyone we are ALL individuals....shakespeare is well above most peoples heads But Kin g Lear is a cracking play. Being rude Beth will devalue what you Say. I give to homeless people and to their organsisations. yours til your rudeness wears off cheers

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bethelbeth · 04/12/2010 12:45

I don't think that Shakespeare is well above most people's heads. In fact he was a bard for the people which would imply the exact opposite from what you have stated.
Given the fact that the majority of his works have been edited for public consumption, be it through modern film or literature I would suggest that you are giving Mumsnetters short shrift by suggesting that it is above their intellectual capacity.

So yes. Cack again is it?

GabbyLoggon · 06/12/2010 10:46

Beth The populist things are Soaps, Corrie,
Eastenders etc etc. And of course our "wonderful" tabloid papers.

They certainly are NOT Shakespearian

Please do some research on your own society, Beth.

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hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 11:00

This is great, it must be hell to be homeless - let alone with this bad weather. I can't imagine how awful it must be.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/12/2010 11:28

I am an IT journalist.

Well, to be strictly accurate, I had a letter published in Computer Weekly once. Or a paragraph from a letter, anyway.

GabbyLoggon · 06/12/2010 11:44

Annie. I once wrote an editoria for the Exchane and Mart. They said it would cost me £2,500 to get it printed

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redflag · 06/12/2010 11:47

bethelbeth,

I find your experience to be a positive one! Hilariously you treat it with suspicion! So people who are already warm in houses/hostels/hotels should be seen as more venerable than people sleeping in the snow?!

I suggest you family members case was not the norm, rather how it should be!

ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 06/12/2010 11:54

Being a small town we don't really get 'true' homelessness, in fact the one time it was reported a lady had resorted to sleeping in her shed on her allotment there was a huge fuss and the council had housed her within a week Xmas Grin

deepheat · 06/12/2010 12:44

Gabby. Earlier on you suggested that people write about what they know about. I've worked with homeless and ex-homeless people in the Housing sector for the last ten years (not employed by the government I should add) so this is relatively comfortable ground.

You suggest that governments create homelessness. Well, how do they do this exactly? The three leading causes of homelessness in the UK are: relationship breakdown, eviction and persistent offending (often leading to the former two). Yes, the government plays a part in every aspect of our lives so some responsibility lies with them but by and large, homelessness is the product of poor choices made by people. (Incidentally, it is the local goverment's responsibility to house people who are found to be Homeless as per the definition of Part 7 of the Housing Act, so they do a great deal more than any charity to help them as well.)

The Government stats relating to homelessness that you refer are most likely about the number of rough sleepers rather than homeless people - there is a significant difference. People living in hostels, emergency accommodation, B&Bs, friends floors etc are also homeless but are not rough sleepers. Local governments try and monitor these numbers but they are notoriously difficult to gauge. Figures should be available on your local authorities website though.

The lack of affordability in the private rented sector at the moment is a significant cause of homelessness. Whilst on the one hand the government's HB cuts may create more homeless cases, the subsequent necessary reduction in some PS rents should also see many people come off the streets in certain areas.

Blaming government is always the easiest and laziest option. In actual fact, since Major's tories were in power, every government has performed admirably in addressing the issue of homelessness (if not some of the causes, e.g. drug policy and lack of affordable housing).

Major's government set up the Social Exclusion Unit, which made significant funding available to local authorities for the purpose of addressing all major forms of exclusion, including homelessness. Blair's government built on this rather than keeping their distance for political reasons and also introduced the Supporting People Funding stream which has meant that support available to people in emergency accommodation has improved immeasurably (and doesn't go into the hands of cowboys, as transitional housing benefit once did) and the current government has shown some recognition of the dangers to people's housing posed by some of the cuts planned.

Finally, I'm guessing yuou're only posting for a bit of a laugh. It seems somewhat unlikely that you are a journalist (unless your sub-editors are being paid extraordinay amounts). Either way, I'm on a lunch break so figured I'd contribute anyway.

bethelbeth · 06/12/2010 18:37

Redflag the suspicion is over the fact that if it was so easy in this instance then why are there still so many folk out in the cold? Certainly not hilarious, just questioning how it is possible.

And Gabby, the endless Romeo and Juliets, tragedies and love triangles of populist soaps are stories taken straight from Shakespeare.

He was, after all, THE populist writer of the day and quite de rigeur.
We may view it as cultured, but he was the Corrie of his era.

GabbyLoggon · 09/12/2010 14:35

beth that is a good point, beth

I write seriously and humourously sometimes in the same post

Life is a tragi comedy whether we like it or not. Milligan had it right. Po-faced people get it wrong......

Newspapers/

I have been in Privateeye, the New statesman,
speccy tator, radio times. all dai;ly papers and sundays.

and all 65 evening papers.

sub editors may love me for my brevity,deepheat. (how could you get me so wrong)

In the Commons you would have been asked to withdraw (this is factuality)

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