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To think this was a completely un-necessary comment

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Bathsheba · 24/11/2010 12:08

(Now, how do I tell this story without it becoming a BF or FF debate....probably can't...)

We were waiting for DD2 to have her ballet class yesterdat - we spend the 40 mins waiting in a waiting area. DD3 was crawling around the floor happily and I had popped her bottle (all sealed..) down beside my stool after she had finished what she wanted.

A little boy of a similar age (10 months) was also crawling around the floor. I hadn't noticed that he had picked up DD3's bottle. He was playing with it - just shaking it and rolling it around (the top was on and it remained sealed at all times, he was NOT at any point drinking it)....his mum came over, she wasn't nasty or grabby at all about it but she did say, twice "Oh its not like he would even know what to do with a bottle..."

Now,to me that just seems like such a strange comment to make. I try and smile and chat to everyone at ballet but she only joined the class a few weeks ago and I can hand on heart say that this was the first thing she had ever said to me.

Now, I have 3 DDs and really an not put out by such a comment and I'm happy/resigned to the choices I've made, but she doesn't know that...

There just seems like such a HUGE range of inane conversations to make about babies..."How old is she/he", "she/he is gorgeous", "That cardi is lovely" or even a basic "what's his/her name"....If she had been sitting in the waiting room bf-ing and I had reason to make small talk I'm sure I could have come up with something as an opening other than "oh my DD wouldn;t have a clue what to do with norks..."

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TattyDevine · 24/11/2010 12:11

It does sound smug on the face of it (hard to know without seeing facial expression, context, etc)

A very small minority of mothers have to use every opportunity to let it be known they exclusively breastfed.

The majority would not dream of it and it wouldn't even occur to them.

MrsCurly · 24/11/2010 12:12

I think you are overreacting (understandably if you are sensitive about this). I sounds like she was trying to reassure you that her baby hadn't drunk anything out of the bottle, in case that was what you were worried about.

SheWillBeLoved · 24/11/2010 12:13

I think it completely depends on her tone when she said it. It is a strange thing to say if she meant it as a dig at you for using bottles, but not so strange is it was said in a light and breezy "Oh it's alright, even if it was open he wouldn't know what to do :)" sort of way, iyswim?

I'm guessing if it was the latter though, it wouldn't have irked you so much. Brush it off, as you said, you have your reasons and that's good enough for you and your baby.

Fernie3 · 24/11/2010 12:14

I think you are being a little over sensitive tbh, it was just a random comment she was probably embarrassed that her little boy had been shaking your baby's bottle.

WhyHavePets · 24/11/2010 12:15

I don't know tbh. Replace bottle with spoon (ie you had started weaning dd with a spoon and she had not yet) and it just becomes a comment about differences and not a judgement IYSWIM.

The whole ff bf debate makes it very easy to see a slight where there is none - of course that does not mean there wasn't, just thinking aloud IYSWIM.

Honestly it sounds to me like she was being clumsy and just trying to start chatting. I am a bit like this, say the most stupid things then withdraw for weeks as I am so embarresed about it... Hopefully that is all it is, tbh I would give her the benefit of te doubt unltil you have more to go on!

TheEvilDead2 · 24/11/2010 12:15

I agree with fernie, she was probably just thinking you might be upset and you dont need to worry

belgo · 24/11/2010 12:16

Sounds like she was boasting to me.

fedupofnamechanging · 24/11/2010 12:17

Agree that it sounds a bit like a dig at you, but would give her the benefit of the doubt this once. Any other bitchy comments and I think you should call her on it.

Some people don't have a check switch between their minds and mouths, so the contents of their heads spill out unhindered. The rest of us have more concept of what constitutes good manners/socially acceptable conversation.

ChippingIn · 24/11/2010 12:17

YABU - I think you are over-reacting and being overly sensitive (even though you say you are not?).

It was just a throw away comment - 'Sorry he's got that, he's just playing with it, not 'stealing' it as he doesn't know what it is'...

Bathsheba · 24/11/2010 12:18

I have been very sensitive in the past about things like that, and although I'm fine now, I am very concious, having been there myself, as to how comments cane make people feel who maybe aren't as "at peace" with the way things have gone...

I smiled and made suitable small talk back etc, so I certainly didn't "act" put out by it...

I've recently written a big article for our NCT newslettr about how first impressions/comments etc can really hurt and alienate people - I myself have been upset (in the past) by comments like "birth at home is how it SHOULD be" and comments along the lines of "I'm so pleased Jack has managed to get to 2.5 and fully on to open cups without ever ever having a bottle in his mouth" (both things said at NCT events so it was relevant to my article)

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FindingMyMojo · 24/11/2010 12:21

I think you're making something out of nothing - more than likely what fernie said

ChippingIn · 24/11/2010 12:21

I'm sorry - but I really don't get why either of those comments are offensive?

I think you can choose to be offended by a lot of things.

belgo · 24/11/2010 12:25

I agree Bathsheba, even throw away comments can be very hurtful, and people need to think about what they say.

Can you link to your article?

badfairy · 24/11/2010 12:26

I really think you are being over-sensitive on this one. All this mum was doing is grabbing at something to say to someone she didn't know and because the bottle was what baby was grabbing at it seemed appropriate. I'm sure she really didn't give it any more thought than that and you'd have thought her rude if she hadn't said anything !

MadreInglese · 24/11/2010 12:29

I agree with MrsCurly

Bathsheba · 24/11/2010 12:31

My article isn't online but I can paste it in here if no-one minds me takijng up sapce on the thread...I'll go and find it and post it

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anonacfr · 24/11/2010 12:33

Certain comments might be insensitive, but this sounded more like small talk/apology to me (although I guess it depends HOW it was said). All I know is that mine wouldn't have known what to do with a bottle either at that age, and it's the kind of thing I might have blurted out to defuse a situation without thinking.

I guess I must be insensitive. Grin

Bathsheba · 24/11/2010 12:34

The NCT ? Lentil Weaving and Judgemental?

I recently thought I?d do a wee bit of a fact finding experiment. I asked on a very popular parenting forum, with people on it from all over the UK, what their impressions of the NCT were. About 75% of the people who responded (over 100) had very negative associations. The NCT is unapproachable, middle class, judgemental, obsessive and expensive. However most people admitted that was either based on just 1 experience of the NCT in their area, or was actually just based on assumptions, however because that was the impression that they had, they never did make that first step.

That makes me really sad. I?ve been involved with the NCT for 6 and a half years. And almost all of that has been positive, good times. However, I can point back to a couple of times that I could have been scared off ? both ?first times? at things. My Mum has always said I?m fiercely determined (I don?t see it myself), but yes, on both those occasions, it was only my stubborn side that said ?No, I?m going to do this? that over-rode my fragile side that wanted to (and did) run and cry into a corner.

People join the NCT at a very vulnerable time in their lives. No-one should ever underestimate how vulnerable new parents are, even apparently the ?strongest?. No-one should ever underestimate just how much a few words, or a wrong glance, or a bad atmosphere can crush someone in those early days. And maybe yes, the stereotype of the NCT and the assumptions that are being made are stopping people coming before they even get started.
In 2007 the NCT rebranded itself, and adopted a new slogan ? ?Supporting You To Become The Parent You Want To Be?. I?m not normally a serious pedant but I?d like to pick that apart for a few minutes.
Support is what we are there to provide. The main thrusts of the NCTs work involve educating families either before birth or after birth, and supporting them through classes and helplines. The NCT campaigns and advocates for parents, for better maternity care and conducts clinical research. The NCT trains people to be teachers for Ante Natal Classes and Post Natal Discussions Groups and for Breastfeeding Counsellors. However the aim and the job of all these things must be to SUPPORT and not to lecture, to arm people with information that they want that will prepare them.

And we are there to support people to be the parent THEY want to be, not the parent WE think they should be, or the parent WE are, or the parent WE wanted ourselves to be but didn?t quite manage. One hurdle that new members often never get to is meeting long time members and discovering that many people have different experiences, all of which are valid, and welcome and, most importantly supported. Many people who haven?t had what they perceive to be the ?perfect NCT pregnancy and birth? won?t come to an event for fear of being judged, for fear of being tutted at, for fear of needing support and not getting it because no-one can empathise. The reality is that isn?t the case, but the perception is there and we need to be working actively to smash it. Mums and Dads need to feel as comfortable offloading about their emergency caesareans and bottle feeding their baby as they do about their home birth and their breastfeeding, or parents must be allowed to be secure in having made those choices. Our job is to support and to educate ? people can?t build a time machine and go back and change things, and feeling judged about doing something ?wrong? can be crippling. For many couples, the choices they have made are made from an informed standpoint ? our job is to make sure that the information is available, not to dictate what the end choices or the outcomes are.
The NCT is a fabulous organisation, doing a great deal of very good work with families and in clinical areas throughout the country ? its just such a shame that people?s perceptions can be so negative that they never make it to the support that we can give, or that people do come and don?t get the support they need sometimes.

If you are a new member, or a member who has stood in the sidelines, or someone who has never been involved because you felt you might not fit in, or you might be ?judged? for whatever reason, please take those first few steps, and please be assured that our aim is to support you, its not to judge or condemn or tutt, or tell you what you ?should have done?, and if you ever feel that someone isn?t being supportive, please let someone know ? either the person running the event you are attending, or anyone listed in the branch directory pages.

Bathsheba, Mummy to DD1, DD2 and DD3s (and breaking every NCT stereotype?)

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sapphireblue · 24/11/2010 12:35

maybe she was trying to reassure you because she was worried you thought her DC was trying to drink your DDs milk?

ib · 24/11/2010 12:36

If it had been a dummy rather than a bottle would you have felt the same way?

Fwiw - I might have said something like that as a way of apology for not having been on top of him when he grabbed it. Ds2 doesn't know what to do with a bottle - which I find frustrating now he's on solids and I don't know how to get water into him.

I do not feel at all smug about bf and don't think there's anything wrong with ff.

lateatwork · 24/11/2010 12:37

well doh. he never even got it into his mouth so plainly obvious he didnt know what to do with it!! some babies can be soooo super slow sometimes!! if it was my child, the top would have been off and the whole lot would have been guzzled.Grin

honestly though, i think you are being too sensitive.

Colourful · 24/11/2010 12:40

Personally, I think she was showing off/making a point.

Bit sad that she needs to have a dig at someone else to make herself feel better about her own choices but it happens.

fel1x · 24/11/2010 12:40

I think she was just making conversation and saw that as an opener.
Probably thinking along the lines of 'dont worry he wont try to drink it' in case you were wondering why she hadnt grabbed it straight off him

badfairy · 24/11/2010 12:40

Bathsheba I really think that because this subject is upper most in your mind at the moment that you have read more into this woman's comments than was meant. I am studying at the moment and when I get really passionate about a topic the slightest comment by a work colleague can set me off on to a mini rant.Wink

Let it go she was just making conversation.

Pennies · 24/11/2010 12:41

A cold smile and a mildly sarcastic "Good for him" would have got the message across. Wink