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To be annoyed at the smuggy smugness? why is childbirth such a competion?

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AddictedIsFeelingHappy · 24/10/2010 04:02

i'm 38+3 weeks pregnant and am getting irrationally annoyed by every thing.

a friend of mine had her baby yesterday and on facebook (i know its the spawn of satan) her status is along the lines of

'baby x arrived weeighing 8lb 4oz in a birthing pool, i had no pain relief drugs, even with a very long labour. come on ladies we can do what nature intended'

now i'm already alittle annoyed because she was due the day before me and has already had her baby, and mine is still not here. (irrational i know!)
but why put that about the drugs? you dont get a medal for doing it all naturally and it doesnt make you a failure if you do need drugs.

gah now i'm all annoyed and wound up and cant sleep [hangry]

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LeQueen · 25/10/2010 17:34

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traceybath · 25/10/2010 17:47

Oh dear - she's in that post-birth mad state and has been a bit tactless/smug.

I've had 3 c-sections - natural birth wasn't for me and nature would have meant that and my first child would probably have died so I'm grateful for the advances in medicine.

However I do think that you do have to make huge allowances for some-one who has just had their first baby.

And of course a pain-free natural birth with no tearing etc - well its the dream isn't it. Given the choice am sure most of us would choose that but as others have said its not a choice we really get to make.

traceybath · 25/10/2010 17:48

Pain-free - I meant drug-free! Now pain-free would be fab Grin

BoffinMum · 25/10/2010 17:49

I did put a massive amount of effort into it. Learning usually comes easily to me but not that. I was not quite Maureen from Driving School but there were parellels.

Have you got over the house thing at all or does it nag at you still?

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MilaMae · 25/10/2010 20:09

Shock God Lequeen what a shite year,you poor thing.

cory · 25/10/2010 20:57

Titty, you did actually sound quite sneering and doubting about the thought that LeQueen might have done other things in life that she felt were just as much of an achievement. Why would she have to be an elite athlete or polar explorer to feel that? Lots of women feel excited about lots of different things they experience and achieve in life. I totally knew what she meant.

Partly because I did not feel more of an achievement connected with my vaginal birth was any greater or more exciting than that of my caesarian 3 years later. In both cases, the excitement was about the baby, not about my achievement in pushing it out; I was far too taken up with the baby to even think about that. I didn't mind having a vaginal labour: it just didn't do a lot for me. But having a baby totally did Smile.

Also because far as I am concerned, bonding with my babies and parenting them has been more exciting than the night of giving birth. In fact to me, saying that the night you give birth has to be the parenting experience is like saying your wedding night has to be the most exciting time of your marriage. Why? It is only the start of years and years of exciting things to happen. There have been moments along the way that to me have been just as exciting and rewarding as giving birth itself. (tbh I don't remember that much about my wedding night either. But we've had our moments since Wink).

Finally, because like LeQueen's friend I probably can think of at least 5 other things that have seemed equally rewarding and challenging. Let's see if I can list them:

i) My marriage to dh after we had sustained a 10 years long-distance relationship (different countries) during most of which we were too poor to even phone each other and could only afford to meet twice a year.

ii) Struggling through my PhD despite ill health, an uncertain future and the stress of the above-mentioned long distance relationship. Realising halfway through that my tutor had picked a totally unsuitable subject, far too demanding for a thesis, and then completing it anyway and to a standard where my book is still quoted on this subject 18 years later and probably will be for many years to come.

iii) As mentioned in a previous post, getting dd back on her feet and confident enough to dance in public despite her chronic and very painful condition.

iv) Managing to convince the authorities that dd was not being abused, but that she needed investiation and treatment, managing to push until we got it, to get her into a school that would look after her etc etc etc. Compared to the stress of that, 12 hours of labour with a TENS machine was a walk in the park- I'd do that again any day.

v) Re-establishing my subject (which I love) at my local university, where it had been abolished, and seeing it flourish and take off in a new guise.

But other women will have other things.

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tittybangbang · 25/10/2010 21:21

"Lots of women feel excited about lots of different things they experience and achieve in life"

"In both cases, the excitement was about the baby, not about my achievement in pushing it out; I was far too taken up with the baby to even think about that. I didn't mind having a vaginal labour: it just didn't do a lot for me. But having a baby totally did"

I think you've totally misunderstood me - taken what I've said in the most literal way possible, maybe deliberately to try and make out that I have some sort of silly, maybe fetishistic obsession with giving birth or something. Not fair and not nice.

"Also because far as I am concerned, bonding with my babies and parenting them has been more exciting than the night of giving birth."

Oh, not for me - 11 years of parenting have been FAR less exciting in total than the two dozen hours I've spent having contractions and pushing a baby out. Hmm

Be fair. For most people it's the intensity of the emotion experienced in the labour and birth which is untoppable. It's not something you feel after thinking about it intellectually, ("I was far too taken up with the baby to even think about that" - what, and others are smugly mulling over their achievement instead of focusing on my baby? Nice Hmm), it's a powerful force of instinct and emotion sweeping you up and bowling you along. And the powerful hormones you have circulating in your body after an unmedicated birth can result in an intensely euphoric experience. It's part of that overwhelming feeling of 'I've done it that many people feel after birth - very, very pleasurable, and very, very intense.

Kewcumber · 25/10/2010 21:25

"come on ladies we can do what nature intended"

Nature intends me to have drug free fillings too and I say "Fuck off, Nature"

dinosaurinmybelly · 25/10/2010 21:29

Quite aside from medical intervention being the right thing for some, why on earth did she write this on Facebook? She's obviously insecure about something if she wants to rub something like that in other people's faces especially someone about to have their own labour soon. You shield pity her and congratulate yourself on getting through a difficult pregnancy as well as having an insightful DH.
Good luck! you will meet your baby soon and this will all seem trivial YANBU

Kewcumber · 25/10/2010 21:31

I luuuuuuuuuuurve competitive birth stories, my most recent one.

Variety of escalating birth expereinces...

Me (finally joining in): "Well, DS was born at 26 weeks weighing less than a kilo"

Shock all round, silencing everyone.

"Oh my goodness what happened?"

Me: " I dunno, I wasn't there" and left, hearing my friend in the background saying "typical bloody west london mother - outsources everything" Grin

For some reason the obvious answer eluded them.

withorwithoutyou · 25/10/2010 21:39

Clearly banging my head against a brick wall here, but it's not her pride in her achievement that anyone thinks is off. It's the smuggery!

My friend had a 6 hour labour with her second, natural birth, no stitches. Her previous birth had been failed induction and EMCS.

When she announced the second one's birth on facebook she wrote something like "xxx born at xxx time, natural birth, no stitches - I did it!!!"

That was a lovely status, I was so bloody pleased for her (already knew about it before the fb thing) I'm sure everyone was really pleased for her. BUt she kept to the point, it was about her and her achievement, not about lecturing other people on how they should give birth.

withorwithoutyou · 25/10/2010 21:39

Oh, and kew, Grin at your last post.

PartialToACupOfMilo · 25/10/2010 21:39

YANBU You are heavily pregnant there is no such thing being unreasonable!

I wish people would think before they said things like this - and posting that on FB wtf?!?!

minxofmancunia · 25/10/2010 21:41

well I'm very much a "give me the drugs" kind of gal when it comes to labour and childbirth as I don't believe in mratyrdom or self sacrifice abou this particular issue.

With dds birth i had an edidural after 15 hours as i thought I was losing it, midwives whole heartedly in agreement with me, they KNEW i was losing it and needed some support.

With ds labour was going fine, had some gas and air then opted for some diamorphine as it was f**king painful and it was available. Expcet i could have managed without it but didn't want to. i'm glad I had it, it was brilliant, best drug I've ever had Grin.

Made ds birth memory quite blissful all in all. prob wouldn't broadcast it on fb though. OP your fb "friend" sounds like a d**k BTW.

MilaMae · 25/10/2010 21:48

I totally agree with Cory.

Dp and I have been together for 20 years and had some shite times(and lots of good). A 20 year relationship is easily as rewarding and challenging as giving birth.

Personally I never gave giving birth a moments thought,my only ever focus was to be a mummy when pregnant. I put my body through it's paces with years of fertility treatment the actual act of giving birth was just yet another thing to get through to have a child not something to 'achieve'.

I know lots of women who haven't had fertility treatment who feel the same. For many women being a mum is all one concentrates on,the birth is just an annoying hurdle to be endured as lets face it however wonderful these empowering drug free births are they aint ever going to be a picnic.

Lots of women don't like pain or get scared easily when in pain. They just want the whole thing over with with minimum pain-end of. I would have been one of those even if I'd conceived instantly-my sister was and so were most of my closest friends.

I remember my mw trying to persuade me I wanted a VBAC 15 months after my twins c/s. I had to get quite firm with her to make her realize that I had no burning desire what so ever to experience a natural birth,let alone a drug free one. She really didn't get that it just wasn't a big deal to me. The beautiful little bundle I knew I'd get after was but not the birth.

Being a mum is why we all do it, not for our few hours of stoic glory. Yes some love the whole birthing experience but an awful lot don't and don't put it at the top of their life's achievement list either. I don't get how anybody could. Yes you can give yourself better chances but at the end of the day luck still plays a part.

Doing a PHD and writing a book against the odds is something luck can't take away from you or give you. I for one would class that as far more of an achievement. I'd be far prouder of myself if I ever got to do my Masters than if I'd have given birth drug free. I'm sure many other women will have other things they too would feel far prouder of.

EvilAllenPoe · 25/10/2010 21:49

i guess we should consider what if it were the flip side of the coin 'had a bloody brilliant delivery, all the drugs known to man. Take those drugs ladies!!' had been her status update.

would that be equally annoying?

i'd chalk that one down to the exhilaration of childbirth too, see. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to be annoyed by it, but being fair, you'd just think she was advocating the same experience because it worked for her...which is what people do when something works for them.

Olifin · 25/10/2010 21:50

Well, the 'come on ladies' bit is really irritating but the rest....I wouldn't find it irritating, personally. She's just pleased with how it went. Nowt wrong with that, IMO.

EvilAllenPoe · 25/10/2010 21:54

oh, and dd1s birth was one of those heartachingly rare moments in which i was truly happy. It's number 1 on my list.

the other two were a bit meh after that. more of a 'thank fuck that's over'.

but i definitely felt i'd done something really amazing first time. finally had a sodding baby!

can't say i would/wouldn't have felt the same way had i given birth in a different way - how can you know that?.

Olifin · 25/10/2010 21:56

Ah, crossed posts, EvilAllenPoe- very much what I was thinking.

BTW, do I know you from another forum? A pink one?!

Olifin · 25/10/2010 21:58

Ooooh no, your next post confirms that you're not who I thought you were!

Sorry, as you were!

MilaMae · 25/10/2010 22:02

Also you can feel intensely euphoric after a c/s or however else you get your child placed in your arms the first time, I don't think a drug free birth has the monopoly on this.

With the twins I was so petrified of something going wrong that it came a day later, after I'd spent all night checking their breathingBlush. It was still there though none the less.

DD's birth (c/s) though was extremely intense straight away as I knew it would be alright the second time. I remember after they left us the rush for both of us was amazing, I couldn't eat or stop talking I was so sick with euphoria.

Having said that maybe it was the drugsWink