to think the Breast and Bottle feeding Board should be

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renamed the Breast and Anti Formula campaigning board.

Who would have thought that folk who BF could get sooo worked up about formula companies and the way they market formula......

I shall ignore it now I am bf but I don't go in the bf topic because these sort of threads often crop up in there.

Yes my sweeping generalizations was referring to the op she does it on many threads.

Not suggesting you keep the URLs, shiny :)

But you could search on a word and topic and/or name. 'S easy.

If you can't be bothered/have no time, then that's understandable.

But if you can't back up accusations of people wanting to make other mothers feel bad about ff, or things people are supposed to have said, then don't make the accusations.

That's easy enough, too.

Sorry will go after this as it's getting a bit pointless. Would you remember thread titles from a year back? Why do I have to provide proof of threads/comments that I have read? Other posters have already referred to comments like this that they have read. And again...I am referring to a minority of d1ckheads who post these comments. I don't know how I can explain it any better.

Shiny If I wanted to find the creepy thread I just do a advanced search for creepy and bfing and any threads with those words come up.

what a pointless thread

I agree, it's pointless!

Having said that :) :) :)....

shiny - can you see that when you refer to a 'hardcore' group of mothers who want other mothers to feel shit about ff, you are referring to regular posters (or they would not be hardcore).

I don't think there are any posters like this - but I and others have certainly been accused of wanting mothers who ff to feel bad, and when this is challenged, no one is ever able to point to anything that justifies this.

I do challenge, even if it is pointless, as I don't like to see unfairness.

Yes, there are v. occasional mad posts which say stupid and hurtful things - these posters are jumped on immediately.

I am certain that sometimes, women read something on the breast/bottle board (or any other board) which they take very much to heart and feel upset and desperate about, reading stuff into it, and generalising out from it. But that says more about them than the content of what they have read.

Welcome to the internet.

I do remember once that someone posted about ff babies having horrible fat, rubbery faces.
Hilarious.

Muppetry pure muppetry OP you have a very high opinion of your own opinions. FFS who cares !

Might be time to latch off now funny

isn't the issue that when anyone says anything along the lines of "well bf is better for babies" anyone who coudn't/didn't bf and who is prone to feeling guilty/giving a shit what random internet strangers think gets a bit huffy?

lol, I haven't posted for an age. Am rather and flattered that folk still think of me..........thanks

Sorry I don't believe that. Am sure you've been following every nuance of the thread. But whatever....

I know I will regret posting here but...

I don't really get the persecution complex (renaming this the anti-formula board). I mean, bfing in the UK is still in the minority, no? Most mums stop bfing in the early weeks or months. Give a toddler a cup of formula and no one blinks an eye. Bf a toddler in public in some parts of the UK and expect to get 'Bitty' comments. Judging by the numbers on this board, a significant proportion of mothers who are bfing toddler do so largely in secret, to avoid the huge societal pressures in the UK which are anti- extended bfing.

I'm certainly not saying ffing is easy either. Bringing up a child is hard either way. But, given the huge societal pressures against bfing, surely those kind and supportive posters who give their time on this forum to help other mums to bf (and who campaign for stuff like improved ingredient information on formula, helping ffing mums too) should be congratulated not vilified?

Bloody hell I am glad I read the whole thread before I posted - was going to say YANBU!!!

And that's without even reading the BF/FF forum so that would have made me a right knee-jerky twat - but I do feel FFeeders are sometimes subtly put down on other threads.

On top of the (accepted and obvious) fact that bf-ing is best for babies, I feel there is sometimes a hint that bottle feeders are a certain kind of mother or class of mother ifyswim.

But I agree it's a myth that bottle feeders are harangued and attacked on here and I don't get why the OP keeps dragging this up aggressively and I don't get the persecution complex.

I formula fed and am perfectly happy with that decision and perfectly happy to share that with my MN compadres because I know that the huge majority will not judge me!

tictok thanks for your reply. If you google "baby formula arrests" you will see the item I mentioned. Mostly co-ordinated by Greenpeace.

I was being a bit facetious when I made the comment about baby eating everything mum has.

Just trying to lighten the situation.

I can't understand why mums who breastfeed would even have the remotest interest in formula.

When I was bf, I didn't have a clue about formula because I didn't need it. If I did need it, then yes, I probably would have found out about the different brands.

In the grand scheme of things, the 6-9 months that most parents bf (some more some less) really isn't going to have much impact on the 90 odd years a newborn is going to live.

In this day and age, the children being born now are going to have more to worry about than how they were fed as a newborn.

"I can't understand why mums who breastfeed would even have the remotest interest in formula. "

Oh but if only you could ignore it... It's constantly being offered to you / recommended to you / you're being asked why you're not using it / you're being asked if you've seen that Cow and Gate advert with the enormous sippy cup because it's clear from that you're obviously not giving your child enough iron

"In the grand scheme of things, the 6-9 months that most parents bf (some more some less) really isn't going to have much impact on the 90 odd years a newborn is going to live."

The number of babies fed for that long is tiny - less than 3% link

"In this day and age, the children being born now are going to have more to worry about than how they were fed as a newborn."

That depends on whether you believe the studies which show that breastfed babies are healthier long-term. I accept the improvement in outcomes is very slight though.

Angels - as I thought, then. The Oz protests were about GM ingredients in formula which they felt were harmful and which were not listed on the labels. Nothing to do with formula v bf.

Different issue, yes?

Longtalljosie There's lots of things that we are constantly being bombarded with. Junk food ads galore,designer clothes, must have sports drinks (what happened to plain old water).

The peer pressure is absolutely enormous. There is even whole threads on MN on the type of pram to purchase for baby.

I don't take any notice of advertising. I'm sure we don't all run out and buy everything we see advertised because "it is better for our child".

This is off the topic but it's like cleaning products. I use a polish that I make out of Linseed oil, lemons and a couple of other little things. Floor polish is Linseed oil, eucalyptus oil, pure beeswax.

I'm just not influenced by the rows of cleaning products in the supermarket and advertised on TV.

Cleaning vinegar takes care of the rest.

tictok point taken. Yes it is a different issue.

Again, I am still mystified by the high intensity and stress that goes with these bf/ff threads.

Tittybangbang:

When a poster said "but there are a hardcore group of people who seem to enjoy making others feel like shit." you said "That's a really unkind accusation"

In an earlier post you say how you have been banned from Bounty.

You were banned from Bounty because you kept going on the bottlefeeding forum, having never bottlefed yourself. Bounty deemed the posts you repeatedly made on the bottlefeeding forum inflammatory enough to ban you.

On Bounty, the brestfeeding and bottlefeeding board are separate to avoid this sort of thing happening.

You were constantly goading regular posters who were simply there offering support to each other. You should have stuck to the debates forum.

Would you like to enlighten us why you felt the continual need to go on that bottlefeeding forum and inflaming other posters to the extent you got banned, if you are not one of those hardcore people that apparently makes bottlefeeders feel like shit?

Angels I'm slightly confused by your post and think you think it's me that's being pressurised by formula advertising. Only second hand... It's rellys that have seen the adverts and give me a hard time over my decision not to use formula, going straight from bm to cow's milk. Which means they are affecting my life, indirectly.

you formula fed then?

TattyDevine that is very interesting and I think nicely illustrates my point. Why get involved with something ie formula feeding - which doesn't concern you? I just don't get it

"Is Motherhood really that hard". Google Jacinta Tynan and read a magic column.

There is also a must read in Sunday's "The Sun Herald Life" by Jacinta entitled "Mothers Superior", can't find it on line yet but it's brilliant.

Today's column quotes in part some responses to the original article

"I inadvertently unleashed the ugly side of motherhood. The side which we're all partly guilty of - where we vilify those who don't think like us"

I think that this is what is happening on bf/ff threads.

Angels - are you suggesting that bf supporters often villify formula feeders on those threads, or the other way round?

Can we have examples?