to want to see more openess about about wages and salaries

[GabbyLoggon]

I heard a programme on salaries on BBC Radio 4.

It became clear it was a total taboo subject.
Everyone asked was running scared of the subject.

It must be because there is so much iequality over pay for similar work.

I was talking to a broadcaster who said there were people doing similar work getting six times more dosh than others on the same programme

HENCE THE WALL OF SILENCE

Kaloki that's awful. I hope you can work something out as beenbeta suggests.

Oh I left a long time ago. Still bitter though I realised they were taking me for a ride, so I left just when they needed me most

Good for you. Picking the right moment was even better.

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

Oh hell yes, though I'm still waiting to hear that the sexist pig of an area manager has fallen foul of the recession. That would be the cherry on top.

Agree with beenbeta that if you are not happy with your pay, you should just leave (or threaten to leave, if you want to make a go of it at the same company).

I have always stayed too long out of a misplaced sense of loyalty, and also because my children were very young then and did not want to rock the work boat. Now I keep my eyes and ears out and am prepared to jump for the right opportunity and pay.

on a public computer this site was blocked. Too rude and sexy Oh yes GL

pay should be openly discussed and available for everyone to see.

I was contemplating this yesterday.

I think in some areas there should be more openness - when I moved jobs, all of a sudden they managed to raise the grade of my old job one notch, and almost double the salary . but, I did manage to negotiate (through the cunning means of massive indecisiveness) a massive-o raise when I moved to a different company, and got promoted anyway, so I wasn't bothered too much. What I did find out (when another person left and they had to replace her) was that despite saying all the time that their hands were tied and they couldn't raise salaries, they mysteriously managed to get sign off for a (within the industry) rather bloated wage for the replacement).

But then, I was reading this article about education in America and that the teachers union is blocking pay-rises for high performing teachers. In those circumstances, I think secrecy around salaries could help. Also, why shouldn't people who are good at their job, particularly something as key as teaching, be better paid than mediocre/crap workers?

BB - that's scary. I seem to remember getting about the same (whether prosecuting or defending) daily rate for crime when I was at the bar in the early and mid 90s. I'm shocked that rates don't seem to have kept pace with inflation (let alone the rest of the legal industry).

I find tht people on low pay are happy to discuss their wages, whereas high earners would feel embarassed.

I remember being young and full of confidence and constantly re-negotiating my pay until my manager told me with a sour face she could not raise my salary as I was already earning 3k more than HER.

So it does seem to be down to being confident and pushy, and that is why men are on the whole better at demanding higher salaries, and getting them, I reckon. Men seem to have higher levels of selfworth than women, not sure why?

I cringe when I think how confident I was then! Where did it come from?!

chandon

good post..true enough

I'm a teacher. Our pay scales are published online openly, along with how much all the responsibility points are worth. Your salary depends on how many years service you have.
It is fair, open and equal and there have never been any complaints for it to be otherwise.
Why can't other sectors do this?
I would be raging to know that someone doing the same job as me since the same amount of time ago was getting paid more.

There is a perception that the people who get paid do not deserve it. OH has a colleague who has the same title and job description but he does 9-5 (the markets open at 8 so sould be in for that), stays off work whenever there is an excuse to, always has his full hour lunch break and a fag break every hour which is up to 20 minutes each time and is a clock watcher. OH on the other hand goes in at 7am and leaves at 8pm and is never off. He does deserve to get paid much more but I doubt the other guy would see this.

So if you think you work as hard and as productively as the person next to you, well maybe you don't!

I dont understand how the NINE greetings to Shirley happened.