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to believe some if not all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories

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mrsunreasonable · 11/09/2010 15:00

NOTE: This is not meant to be offensive and if you suffered as a result of 9/11 you have my deepest sympathies it was a terrible event however it was caused.

Having watched a few documentaries on the conspiracy theories I am partially if not completely convinced all was not as it seemed. The fact that many witnesses that saw/heard things that didn't tie in with the official version have since died in suspicious circumstances doesn't help!

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Ilythia · 12/09/2010 16:00

I feel the need to point out that you don't need to cause/be involved with or have prior knowledge of something to take advantage of it.
'its all about oil/they wanted a war' does NOT= 'they' caused it.

Valiant efforts from snorbs and Tokyo here though.

daftpunk · 12/09/2010 16:04

Part 2)

As a student of politics I am able to read and make up my own mind on any given subject. I don't need you force feeding me information. Are politicians not able to make a decision on something ? Do they all drown in conspiracy theories?

PosieParker · 12/09/2010 16:06

I watched it live and can't remember anything about Palestine, at first people were assuming (the first plane) was an accident.

daftpunk · 12/09/2010 16:11

Yep, I watched it too. ds2 was only a baby and I was holding him watching it on TV.... First thoughts were accident, only when 2nd plane hit people freaked out

CheekyLittleSox · 12/09/2010 16:15

flighttattendant
There's no point fighting the issue its like trying to nail a triffle to a ceiling with some of these people!

tokyonambu · 12/09/2010 16:17

"As a student of politics I am able to read and make up my own mind on any given subject. "

Excellent! Could you tell me what the current state of play on P vs NP is? Deolalikar's paper is causing some debate in the community, but seems to have been pretty conclusively demolished here. On the other hand, some theoreticians believe the proof is repairable. There's a million dollar prize for getting the answer right, which might motivate you, and I'm sure being a politics undergrad is the ideal preparation for work in the field.

Oh, what's that you say? "Any given subject" doesn't include hard things with maths in them?

Prolesworth · 12/09/2010 16:17

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Flighttattendant · 12/09/2010 16:18

Thanks, Apple Smile

Snorbs can I thank you again for some excellent and well meant posts that actually helped me a bit.

daftpunk · 12/09/2010 16:20

I'm money motivated that's true, leave it with me.

electra · 12/09/2010 17:08

'I feel the need to point out that you don't need to cause/be involved with or have prior knowledge of something to take advantage of it.
'its all about oil/they wanted a war' does NOT= 'they' caused it.'

I agree entirely. However, I still found the way they reacted to it very odd. I think that I'm more believing of the official line but nothing would surprise me for sure.

scottishmummy · 12/09/2010 17:24

and some people think elvis lives in bathgate,and that mi5 bumped off princess big nose and dodi.clearly some folk are fick

giveitago · 12/09/2010 17:38

DP - if your stalker is from MN, then get in touch with HQ and get them to help.

Nothing is out of bounds once you've posted it, I'm afraid.My point is that anything that goes on the web is a recorded forever sadly. Your stalker can google you anytime or forever.

Yep, actually there was alot of mention that it was done for the palestinian cause at the outset. Poor Palestinians - their name was taken in vain. Then this was dropped.

The autism claim wasn't a conspiracy. It was his view based on his research which was found to be flawed.

PosieParker · 12/09/2010 18:25

Yes those 'poor Palestinians' all some of them did was celebrate on the streets when 911 happened.Hmm

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 12/09/2010 18:31

Posieparker - and this is surprising why?

giveitago · 12/09/2010 18:32

Well, Posie - the palestians had their cause taken in vain. Not what they needed really was it.

CarmenSanDiego · 12/09/2010 18:33

I really don't understand the aggression from many posters here. If people read too much on the subject, they're accused of having no lives. If they don't read enough, they're accused of being ignorant.

I've not even put forward a conspiracy theory other than that there are some facts which really don't ring true in the official story and indicators that the government DID behave badly in some areas (e.g. the Bin Ladens shipping out.)

It's important to continuously question those in authority. It really is. Corporations have to be forced to assume corporate responsibility because it's been shown over and over that they won't do it for themselves (except to avoid poor PR). The American political and legal systems are almost entirely corporate in culture. Cover ups happen. Look at all the historical scandals that only came to light years later. What do you think all these three letter agencies do all the time?

It's also very important to question sources on both sides - 'official' releases and the releases put out by interested parties. You may disagree with them, but I really don't think you can casually disregard the A&E group. I have no clue about engineering but I know that they do. They're all professionals, some of whom are extremely experienced and educated. They are also more independent than any government funded investigation.

And for those who say it's disrespectful, well often it is those who are most damaged by an incident who are most motivated to find out the true facts about what happened.

It's really easy to scoff and point at tin foil hats. It's really easy to say the government are an evil shadowy force. Neither is particularly helpful. What is useful though is to recognise that everyone involved has an agenda and a certain amount of power and look at what those agendas are likely to be, how important those agendas are and exactly how they use that power to further their agenda. Personally, I am very open minded. We know the government made some significant mistakes and questionable decisions and that they are aware of a lot more information than we are.

Whether these mistakes and knowledge add up to behaviour that would be considered unethical and harmful by the public is a very important question and it's naive and childish to just assume they will always do the right thing. History shows quite clearly where politics and big business are concerned, the stakes are high, profit and votes are king and doing the right thing is only important as a matter of PR.

daftpunk · 12/09/2010 18:46

Giveitago;

MNHQ have been informed. I ignored it for too long hoping she'd get bored, she didn't sadly. And Yes, I know what you say on here is here for ever, which is why I wouldn't say anything I wasn't prepared to back up and stand by in RL, however, my political and religious beliefs, (which last time I looked were perfectly legal to hold) and however un - PC they may seem to others, do not give anyone the right to personally attack me at every given opportunity, and stalk me on here just to stick the knife in. Total weirdos.

Anyway, that's enough about my Internet problems,

daftpunk · 12/09/2010 18:48

PS:
99% of people on here are fantastic, I am talking about a tiny minority, thankfully.

CheerfulYank · 12/09/2010 18:55

Whoever said there was no "culture of CCTV" here 9/11 in America before is right. We didn't think we needed it. We...we'd just been so powerful for so long that we didn't think it could happen to us, not here. That was arrogant, and it was a mistake. I'm sure there were warning signs that the government ignored because of this.

And as for security being lax, that's also totally true. The year before 9/11, my senior class took a trip to Washington D.C.(where the White House is, and the Capitol Building, etc.) I didn't have any kind of ID, and I was able to get on the plane. I used my student card, which was a piece of laminated colored paper with picture on it and my name typed. I could have been anyone with any intention, but no one thought about things like that then.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 12/09/2010 19:00

I managed to get into the world trade center with a cash point card instead of the photo id I supposedly needed. This was after the car park bomb.

giveitago · 12/09/2010 19:04

dp - well it would be your rather more extreme views that would have attracted the person sadly. Anything on the net is there forever really.

I don't agree with your views but I don't agree with people stalking other people. I'm assuming this is cyber stalking. Yuk. Do they really not have anything else better to do with their lives?

Out of interest, do those of you who think that 9/11 is government backed planned attack also think that princess diana was murdered?

CheekyLittleSox · 12/09/2010 19:07

I would have loved to go up those buildings, my auntie went in September 2000 and has some gorgeous black and white pictures of them, one is looking up the south tower and its an amazing picture, they decided to go up Empire State Building that year and they would do WTC next September (2001) but they didn't get chance to go up, they put off going to New York in 2001 after what happened. They used to book New York only weeks before going. Its a shame.

giveitago · 12/09/2010 19:12

Yup - but then I went a few months after - I stayed in a lovely hotel that overlooked the site. It was a huge shrine.

CheekyLittleSox · 12/09/2010 19:16

One of my ex work collegue has being every year since 9/11 and she said it is so eery around the site. My auntie is going in November and she is going to Ground Zero.

PosieParker · 12/09/2010 19:19

Bollocks....my second post didn't post. The Palestinian leaders did condemn the attack.

Daftpunk. It's truly shit that someone stalks you on and off this board.