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when is a pedophile not a pedophile

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sakapoopoo · 07/09/2010 13:56

The age at which a woman/girl in Japan may have sex is 13.
In some other southeast asian countrys the age is 14 or 15 and in some countrys there is no age limit as long as the girl is married and in some countrys that can be as young as 8
If a man in England has sex with a 13 yr old he will be regarded as a pedo,but if he goes to Japan where it is legal should he be classed as a pedo? Or not because he is not breaking the law

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AMumInScotland · 07/09/2010 14:17

What Colditz said.

Some things are "right" or "wrong" in all cultures and at all times. And having sex with someone pre-puberty is one of those things.

Having sex with someone who has gone through puberty but is below the legal age of consent is illegal, but the morality is more of a grey area, for exactly the reason you point out - it's not a constant between different cultures.

TrillianAstra · 07/09/2010 14:17

Apparently 'fetus' is correct too, foetus was brought in to make it look more greek and poncey.

I prefer the oe and ae spellings. But maybe I am a ponce.

2rebecca · 07/09/2010 14:18

I don't see anything unnatural about one 15 year old shagging another, although I generally don't think it's desirable from either a getting your exams or not getting pregnant when you can't support a baby viewpoint.
That is different to anolder bloke deliberately trying to have sex with an under 16 year old, not because he loves anything about her personality etc but purely because of her age and the things he associates with youth eg malleability, innocence, gullibilty

sakapoopoo · 07/09/2010 14:19

wow some people do have a stick up there arse about spelling.
If you dont have anything interesting to say about the subject I think yo should just sit quietly and not bother to point out spelling msitakes

must be the time of the month

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TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 07/09/2010 14:19

sakapoopoo - It's a little academic isn't it? It's not illegal to be a paedophile. Actions are illegal, mental states/identities are not.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 07/09/2010 14:20

Nattiecake - and we were right to do so.

mayorquimby · 07/09/2010 14:20

"So a man who is on a trip to Japan and wants sex and happens to get a 13yr old knowing she is 13 should not be classed as a pedo even though he is not not sexually attracted to children back home and is doing it because he finds it exciting and knows it is against the law in his own country"

I don't know. Surely the classification of being a paedophile is based on a preference for sleeping with children rather than the motivation (i.e. one wants a quick shag the other wants to marry).
I'd class him as a paedophile myself but then I'd also class every Japanese person doing the same thing as one also.
I can't understand the logic in classing them both differently for carrying out the exact same act. i.e. sex with a 13 year old.

FioFio · 07/09/2010 14:21

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sakapoopoo · 07/09/2010 14:21

By the way did you now William shakespear culd not spell proply and he speled his name different on a few ocasions

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FioFio · 07/09/2010 14:22

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Lauriefairycake · 07/09/2010 14:22

"must be the time of the month" Shock

what a fucking tosser Hmm

nickelbabe · 07/09/2010 14:23

i wish we could get the symbol that squishes then together - it looks much better when ae is one symbol. (and oe)

nickelbabe · 07/09/2010 14:23

oops.
press f5 sometimes.
that was to Trillian...

sakapoopoo · 07/09/2010 14:25

When Gary Glitter was arrested in Vietnam and charged with underage sex I remember a newspaper articl that said if he had gone to Japan he would have not been charged because he was not breaking the law
so in one country your a pedo and in another your not

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FioFio · 07/09/2010 14:26

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nattiecake · 07/09/2010 14:26

Certainly not my time of the month Hmm

Not quite sure of the point of the convo though. No-ones going to come on and say that sex with children is okay, and a paedophile has sex with CHILDREN. Pubescent is not a child.

Lauriefairycake · 07/09/2010 14:27

Yes, that's right - different cultures are erm.......different Hmm

They have different laws in different countries too.

And flags.

nattiecake · 07/09/2010 14:27

Not saying it shouldnt be illegal, as you're still taking advantage of someone, but its not quite so cut and dry as paedophilia

nattiecake · 07/09/2010 14:29

Uh oh, dont mention the c word or you could be accused of racism...

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BlackBess · 07/09/2010 14:31

sakapoopoo would you class yourself as a peadophile then or just a man who gets off asking questions about peadophiles on a website dedicated to women who have children?

SauvignonBlanche · 07/09/2010 14:33

Change of spelling often affects meaning, this a very bizzare thread.

Quattrocento · 07/09/2010 14:34

We've long established the following on MN

A peadophile loves peas
A pedophile loves legs
A peedophile is someone with a lisp who likes brief loves lycra swimming trunks

So I think I've addressed your question

DuelingFanjo · 07/09/2010 14:37

"there arse"

their arse. That's grammar not spelling.

BarmyArmy · 07/09/2010 14:38

It's a bit like when you go to a restaurant in the USA, they generally clear away your plate as soon as you've finished eating. Whereas in the UK, we tend to prefer it for all the plates to be cleared away when everyone has finished eating.

They think we're weird; we think they're weird.

Scorpette · 07/09/2010 14:43

TheCoalitionneedsyou, a pederast is an older man who has a consensual (DEBATABLE) relationship with a boy or young man. We can't use it to mean anyone over 18 who shags a teen.

I don't think the age of consent is what makes someone a paedophile. The age of consent is 12 in the Netherlands. However, this is for children of the same age having sex (interestingly, because of their openness about sex and superlative sex ed, people there generally lose their virginity much later than in other countries and they have a very low rate of teen pregnancy). An adult wanting to have sex with a 12 or 13 year old is a paedophile, regardless of the age of consent. Because, basically, it is not normal for adults to want to have sex with young teens. End of story.

(And it is definitely paedo, not pedo Wink)